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    Question Opinion on F-212xl

    I need your opinion on whether to proceed with an acquisition of a 1975 F-212xl. I'm basically trading it for my 2012 F-47MCE (D-TAR) which is in minty condition. I just learned that the hog has had a neck reset, bridge re-glue and fret dressing. Should I avoid this deal, since I won't get to see the hog until its in my hands at home?
    Rich Cohen, Charlottesville, VA

    Guilds:
    2013 F-412 (NH)
    1975 F-212xl (Westerly)
    1974 F-48 w/ LR Baggs (Westerly)
    2001 DV-52S (Westerly)

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    I owned one for a while, a '2000 late Westerly.

    Really nice guitar, big in size and tone. I was downsizing at the time (trying again right now!)

    I met you at the Local open mic night last week, and heard you play that F-47. Really nice! I wouldn't sell it for the F-212XL unless there was some additional $ that comes to you in the deal.

    Especially since you already own an F-412.
    Last edited by Neal; 12-27-2016 at 11:05 PM.
    Neal

    '53 "X-150" Redburst
    '54 X-50 SB
    '54 X-200-S SB
    '71 F-20 ("Tonya")
    '71 D-25 BR
    '73 D-35
    '81 D-212 SB
    '12 F-50 STD SB
    '13 F-47R



    Others: '59 Gretsch Clipper, '74 Dobro Round-Neck Resonator, '87 Dobro Square-Neck Resonator, '09 Huss and Dalton TD-M Custom dreadnought, '11 Huss and Dalton 12-fret 000 Rosewood, Tele Partscaster.

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    Thanks for your thoughts. Here's my reaction. I am a 12 string player, and searching for a nice vintage hog to complement the maple F 412. So, that's my thinking on acquiring a F 212xl. Right, now the avg. value of my F 47 is around 1400. The 212xl is going for 1250. I'm more concerned about the fact that it's had a neck reset and bridge re-glue. But, that's not unusual for that model after 41 years, no?
    Rich Cohen, Charlottesville, VA

    Guilds:
    2013 F-412 (NH)
    1975 F-212xl (Westerly)
    1974 F-48 w/ LR Baggs (Westerly)
    2001 DV-52S (Westerly)

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    I agree with Neal. With all the work done on the F212XL I would put the resale value at around $800-$1000. On the low side your 2012 F47MCE with the Dtar setup goes for between $1300-$1800 used in great shape. Personally I wouldn't make the trade either unless there was some considerable money coming your way with the F212XL. Honestly I wouldn't even trade with cash coming your way. The New Hartford F-47MCE in my opinion is in a different league than a perfect F212XL let alone one that has had major reconstruction work done. Granted the construction work is acceptable on a 1975 model but you never know what quality of work was done. Just an opinion of course.

    TX
    Last edited by txbumper57; 12-27-2016 at 11:22 PM.
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    Westerly-1971 F612, 1976 G41-NT, 2000 SF-V, 1984 S284, 1993 JF100-NT-CRV
    Nashville C.S.-SF-IV-3 P90's w/Trem
    Corona-2003 Fleming F47-Brz RW, 2003 D55 50th Ann. Brz RW #10 of 50, 2003 X160 Rockabilly, 2003 SF-III-90
    Conn.-2011 GSR D50 Coco, 2013 R-30S, 2013 Orph 12 Fret Slope, 2013 Orph Jumbo, 2014 Orph Burst 000-12 Fret 12 String S.H. RW, 2014 Orph 000 12 fret SH MH, 2012 F50-DTAR, 2013 F50R-DTAR, 2014 F512-DTAR, 2014 D55-RS
    70 T-bird 2x12 Amp
    93 Sequoia Amp

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    Thanks TX. I value your opinion. One major challenge I have is that our house rule (wife influenced) is that I should not go beyond 4 guitars. So, I have to move one of mine out, and the F-47 is less favored these days for playing. I guess we're all crazy on some level!
    Rich Cohen, Charlottesville, VA

    Guilds:
    2013 F-412 (NH)
    1975 F-212xl (Westerly)
    1974 F-48 w/ LR Baggs (Westerly)
    2001 DV-52S (Westerly)

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    Just do what the government does, increase the guitar limit!
    Don

    Guild X-170-T
    Guild Starfire V
    G&L ASAT Deluxe Semi-Hollow
    Gretsch 6120 DC
    Gretsch 5422-12
    Fender American Standard Stratocaster
    Fender '90s Custom Telecaster

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    You don't know the president of our house!
    Rich Cohen, Charlottesville, VA

    Guilds:
    2013 F-412 (NH)
    1975 F-212xl (Westerly)
    1974 F-48 w/ LR Baggs (Westerly)
    2001 DV-52S (Westerly)

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    I'm a bit disappointed with the sound of most F212XL. 12 string and mahogany is not the right blend for me, maybe its just the way that I play. A Guild F512is what I would aspire to. At one time I had both an F412 and F512, and each had its own characteristic. The F412 is a great guitar with that arch back.

    I would convince the president that room should be made for the top of the line. -Good luck.

    1978 Tama Drums (mahogany)
    2007 Guild D55
    2010 Guild F512
    2011 Rickenbacker 360/12

    LMG III

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    FWIW, I kept an '81 D-212 that is just chock full of mahogany 12-string goodness, in a dreadnought shape.
    Neal

    '53 "X-150" Redburst
    '54 X-50 SB
    '54 X-200-S SB
    '71 F-20 ("Tonya")
    '71 D-25 BR
    '73 D-35
    '81 D-212 SB
    '12 F-50 STD SB
    '13 F-47R



    Others: '59 Gretsch Clipper, '74 Dobro Round-Neck Resonator, '87 Dobro Square-Neck Resonator, '09 Huss and Dalton TD-M Custom dreadnought, '11 Huss and Dalton 12-fret 000 Rosewood, Tele Partscaster.

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    I love the sound of a mahogany 12 string. Then again, I have never owned anything else.
    Don

    Guild X-170-T
    Guild Starfire V
    G&L ASAT Deluxe Semi-Hollow
    Gretsch 6120 DC
    Gretsch 5422-12
    Fender American Standard Stratocaster
    Fender '90s Custom Telecaster

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