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Thread: Bi Sonics, Dark Stars & Humbuckers. How do I tell them apart ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    Warning - Snark attack

    Would you point out to me where I ever stated that my reference tone was equipment specific? I have found it is extremely difficult to discuss tone when all you can use are words. One way I have adopted to counter that is to refer to something that is recorded and widely available. People may not understand what I mean when I say a "woody growl" but they can all listen to Baxter's and get an idea of what sounds I am trying to describe.
    'S ok, no snark detected, and was primarily for benefit of other readers who may not realize that Baxter's most likely completely predates his Guild being recorded.

    Quote Originally Posted by fronobulax View Post
    That said, I can certainly try to remember and clarify that I am not saying Baxter's was played on a Starfire even though that is what I am trying to make a Starfire sound like.
    Yep, no such assertion was made but I wasn't absolutely sure it wasn't implied or that others wouldn't infer it either, thus the cautionary note.
    (There's always the possibility of new lurkers who don't know Jack's history the way we do here)


    [QUOTE=fronobulax;1743460]However I think the video below is clearly uses a Starfire and to my ears the sound I strive for from Baxter's is also here :-)


    Oh I get that.
    "Pooneil" was a showcase for the new bass in many live takes, my personal favorite is the one on "Live at Fillmore East 1969".
    This violent agreement thing, it works here, too?
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    Enough squabbling then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Face View Post
    "I also need to note that if I were absolutely committed to sounding like Jack I would be doing a lot more with amps and would be studying his hands and technique."

    Attire and hair style as well! Appearance is 90% of it !!!
    *snicker*

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.

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    I recommend checking out the mighty bass of Jack Casady on the Jefferson Airplane live album 'Bless Its Pointed Little Head' for one of the most 'classic' representations of the Bi-Sonic's righteous power (although early Allman Bros and Dead albums will shed much light as well).
    Clearly a different understanding of which bass Jack played and when. Very good point, however - if the focus is the Bisonic, Lesh and Oakley both used them and not always in a Starfire, if I recall some of Lesh's rigs correctly.
    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.

    '67 Starfire I Bass (Cherry)
    '71 JS II Bass (Walnut)
    '82 B-50 Acoustic Bass (Natural)
    '87 Pilot (Black)
    '13 Newark Street Starfire Bass (Cherry)
    '16 Betts Bass "Walnut Bottom"

    LMG I, II, III

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    "if the focus is the Bisonic, Lesh and Oakley both used them and not always in a Starfire, if I recall some of Lesh's rigs correctly."

    Isn't Lesh playing a Gibson EB-3 equipped with Bisonics on the Festival Train DVD? Pretty sure that was the case.

    And didn't I buy an EB-3 equipped with Darkstars from someone here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Face View Post
    Isn't Lesh playing a Gibson EB-3 equipped with Bisonics on the Festival Train DVD? Pretty sure that was the case.
    No, it's his old EB-0. (Corrected, yet again).
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    Oh, so I awoke the Grouch Under the Bridge!

    Festival Express DVD: Now the only reason I suggested that Lesh was playing a Bisonic-equiped EB-3 was because long ago you or a protagonist on the Guild Forum on the DudePit said there were Bisonics lurking below those stock Gibson chrome pickup covers on the EB-3. (And because it has twin sets of volume and treble knobs, as opposed to the single set on an EB-0). Unless it was a modded EB-0, though it doesn't look like it.

    Please correct me if that is incorrect.

    Or concede that I was right, yet again......... ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Face View Post
    Please correct me if that is incorrect.

    Or concede that I was right, yet again......... ;)
    Clash of the Titans.

    :-)
    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.

    '67 Starfire I Bass (Cherry)
    '71 JS II Bass (Walnut)
    '82 B-50 Acoustic Bass (Natural)
    '87 Pilot (Black)
    '13 Newark Street Starfire Bass (Cherry)
    '16 Betts Bass "Walnut Bottom"

    LMG I, II, III

    This space available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Face View Post
    Please correct me if that is incorrect.
    That is incorrect.
    13 Guild basses
    3 Guild guitars
    6 Guild bass amps
    3 Guild guitar amps
    I like Guilds.

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