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    Westerly Collection Serial Number "Decoder"

    O.k., it's not really a decoder yet but I started to wonder what the new Westerly Collection serial numbers mean.

    To better understand this I first looked at Cordoba Guitars serial numbers.
    The lower end Cordoba instruments do not even have a serial number.
    According to the Cordoba Guitars webpage, the following instruments are not serialized: CP110, C3M, C3M Cadete, Cadete, Dolce, C5, C5-CE, C5-CET, the La Playa Traveler and Ukulele, and all ukuleles except for the 25 series.

    O.k, now I looked at Cordoba Guitars serial numbers:

    Cordoba brand guitars Made in Spain: (4 real serial numbers posted below)
    3110814, 3140591, 3150035, 3150159
    It looks like: 7 digit serial number, always starts with 3 = Spain, 11 or 14 of 15 is manufacturing year, the last 4 digits are the running numbers for a max of 9,999 guitars per year from Spain.

    Cordoba brand guitars Made in China: (4 real serial numbers posted below)
    11101874, 11303220, 11508107, 11515267
    It looks like: 8 digit serial number, always starts with 1 = China, 11 or 13 of 15 is manufacturing year, the last 5 digits are the running numbers for a max of 99,999 guitars per year from China.


    I found real serial numbers of an Oxnard made Cordoba Torres and a Hauser model:
    81300055, 81500363
    It looks like: 8 digit serial number, starts with 8 = Oxnard, 13 or 15 is manufacturing year, the last 5 digits are the running numbers for a max of 99,999 guitars per year. (thats a good goal for the custom shop!)


    And now to compare: Guild Westerly Collection: (3 real serial numbers posted below)
    G1150461, G1151487, G1155321
    It looks like: 8 digit serial number, always starts with G1 = Guild China, 15 is manufacturing year, the last 4 digits are the running numbers for a max of 9,999 Guild Westerly Collection guitars per year from China.

    It would be great to check this in a year from now and see if that system is the real decoder or not. (It still does not answer which factory makes the Westerly Collection and if it is still GREE).

    Ralf
    Last edited by SFIV1967; 05-15-2016 at 11:48 PM.

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    Looking to date Guild Starfire Bass II with serial # AG1002xx
    Thanks for any assistance that can be provided

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc2940 View Post
    Looking to date Guild Starfire Bass II with serial # AG1002xx
    This number is not in the published serial number lists as it was produced after 1997, but only Hans Moust can confirm the exact year. Wait until he answers.

    In the meantime here are the specs:

    Model Name: STARFIRE BASS II* (Maple)
    Model Number: 350-7500-(801) and 350-7500-(837)
    Category: Semi-Hollowbody Electric Bass
    Body Style: Double Cutaway
    Scale Length: 30 1/2"
    Top: Figured Maple
    Bracing: Center Block
    Back: Figured Maple
    Sides: Figured Maple
    Neck: Mahogany
    Width at Nut: 1 - 11/16"
    Fretboard: East Indian Rosewood (12" radius)
    Bridge: Fully Adjustable Chrome Bridge
    Hardware: Chrome
    Electronics: 2 X Custom Guild Bass Humbucking Pickups With Chrome Covers
    1 Master Volume
    2 Volume Controls
    2 Tone Controls
    3-way Selector Switch
    Finish: High Gloss (Poly-Urethane)
    Colors: (801) Blonde, (837) Antique Burst
    Unique Features: Pearloid Chesterfield inlay on Headstock
    5-Ply Binding on the Body
    Solid hardwood block running the full length of the instrument for elimination of feedback
    Case: Includes Deluxe C4516B Hardshell Case
    U.S. MSRP: $2,399.99
    Specs: Prices and Specifications Subject to Change Without Notice
    Strings: L8350 Nickel Plated Steel
    U.S. MSRP $36.95, Gauges .045 to .100
    Source: U.S.
    Introduced: 1/1998
    Discontinued: 1/2001

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    Thank You SFIV1967 for the info. Waiting for some input from Hans Moust.
    Thanks again
    JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFIV1967 View Post
    I found real serial numbers of an Oxnard made Cordoba Torres and a Hauser model:
    81300055, 81500363
    It looks like: 8 digit serial number, starts with 8 = Oxnard, 13 or 15 is manufacturing year, the last 5 digits are the running numbers for a max of 99,999 guitars per year. (thats a good goal for the custom shop!)
    Does anybody know if Guild has made that many over the entire course of their history yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFIV1967 View Post
    It would be great to check this in a year from now and see if that system is the real decoder or not. (It still does not answer which factory makes the Westerly Collection and if it is still GREE).
    Ralf
    I'm 99.9% positive the inspection tags that come with Westerly Collection guitars have that same stylized "GREE" border on them, just can't recall who's mentioned it recently for confirmation..I might try to run a search in a bit, if you don't beat me to it..
    Al
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    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorshki View Post
    Does anybody know if Guild has made that many over the entire course of their history yet?


    I'm 99.9% positive the inspection tags that come with Westerly Collection guitars have that same stylized "GREE" border on them, just can't recall who's mentioned it recently for confirmation..I might try to run a search in a bit, if you don't beat me to it..
    The Westerly Collection D-140 I just received from Amazon had the QC tag on it with the stylized repeated "GR" border on it.

    The QC tag was from mid-2016 but the guitar's serial number started with G115, so the 15 in the serial number apparently does not correspond directly with the year of the guitar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big-Al View Post
    The Westerly Collection D-140 I just received from Amazon had the QC tag on it with the stylized repeated "GR" border on it.
    The QC tag was from mid-2016 but the guitar's serial number started with G115, so the 15 in the serial number apparently does not correspond directly with the year of the guitar.
    Thanks for the confirmation! Yes, it was noticed from the very beginning of the Newark St. and the Westerly Collection in 2014 that the years and years in the serial numbers were somewhat off from each other. Like they forgot to change the dates when a year changed...Because I can't believe that they had loads produced in inventory before they inspected them and that would explain a 6 month difference.
    Had the QC tag also red Chinese stamps on it?
    Ralf

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFIV1967 View Post
    ...Because I can't believe that they had loads produced in inventory before they inspected them and that would explain a 6 month difference.
    Had the QC tag also red Chinese stamps on it?
    Ralf
    I was thinking the same thing myself, but it just occurred to me, maybe they really did do that.
    If for example a deal was made for a certain number of units to be built, but only delivered in several increments, GREE wouldn't be taking any real risk of getting stuck with unsold product and the cost savings of producing a single large production run might more than offset the cost of storage while waiting for a "shipping release" from Cordoba?
    And so there's no pressing need to inspect the product until it's going to ship?
    It's a model used in the US in some industries.
    Al
    "Time May Change the Technique of Music But Never Its Mission " - Rachmaninoff
    My 1st Guild: '96 Westerly D25NT "Hally" (10-31-96 stamped on heelblock)
    #2: '01 Westerly F65ce "Blondie"
    #3: '03 Corona D40e Richie Havens "Richie"
    All bought new!

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