Guild Sighting: Mary Halvorson

Neal · Nov 6, 2014

My brain hurts!

And I was a Sociology major.

I think the point is that different people experience the same event in unique ways, based on their prior experiences and their perception of what is important. My wife and I often experience this disconnect...

Neal

houseisland · Nov 6, 2014

Neal said:
I think the point is that different people experience the same event in unique ways, based on their prior experiences and their perception of what is important. My wife and I often experience this disconnect...

Neal

This is a good summary which hits the main point I think. It brushes away a lot that is in my argument, but it gets to the heart of it.

Neal · Nov 6, 2014

No intent to brush away anything.

Humans are by our very nature tribal animals. We tend to like what our tribe likes. I like Frank Zappa, another envelope-pusher. Others in my tribe do as well. I would be looked upon with disapproval if I played a Kenny G record at a party. But Frank? Peaches and Regalia? My tribe would nod in approval; weird, but not too weird. Just a few steps deeper into the experimental end of the pool, but not off the deep end.

Neal

killdeer43 · Nov 6, 2014

houseisland said:
If we are talking about spelling and not something else, I freely confess that I cannot spell. I have never been able to spell.

NBD, and considering the number of words you used in that particular post, your spelling was admirable. :friendly_wink:

Joe

houseisland · Nov 6, 2014

Neal said:
No intent to brush away anything.

I didn't mean it (brush away) in a negative sense. No criticism intended.

houseisland · Nov 6, 2014

Neal said:
Humans are by our very nature tribal animals. We tend to like what our tribe likes.

This is also part of what I am trying to say. We also tend to understand what our tribe understands and be highly suspicious of other tribes. In the sense of my argument, we might substitute tribe for speech community.

I also like Zappa.

houseisland · Nov 6, 2014

By the way, it is a nice Guild that Mary is holding, isn't it?

This was the whole point of my initial post.

Westerly Wood · Nov 6, 2014

Maybe I am supposed to be playing a Guild arch top. This is my takeaway.

teleharmonium · Nov 7, 2014

This show was a few days after the death of Charlie Haden, so I'm sure she intended Ornette's "Sadness" opening this show as a tribute. The slide in the first part is enabling her to do something like the original bowed bass part.

I wouldn't call her particularly cutting edge in the grand scheme of things. I just listened to the first 4 tunes, and I recognized 3 of them, they were all written in the 60s. Ornette, Carla Bley, and Annette Peacock's music of that time is as melodic as music gets and it was nice to hear these occasionally adventurous versions. I think she is still finding her voice but she gets more distinctive each time I hear her and she is finding a balance between being firmly rooted in historical jazz and avoiding nostalgia.

Zelja · Nov 7, 2014

I quite enjoyed the "speech community" essay in post #28! Found it interesting. Takes a lot of effort to write something like that & I just wanted to say I appreciate it.

Also, I always turn the sound down when watching dolphin porn otherwise I feel a bit uneasy. YMMV.

jcwu · Nov 7, 2014

I forget how this happened, but sometime this summer I stumbled upon a subculture that celebrates relations between humans and dolphins. Whoa.

frenchie · Nov 7, 2014

As soon as she introduced the pieces, and started to play, it reminded me of the "Fast show" and "Jazz club"

Nice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsQYzpOHpik

Steve.

NYWolf · Nov 7, 2014

Zelja said:
Also, I always turn the sound down when watching dolphin porn otherwise I feel a bit uneasy. YMMV.

People do that all that time... Not that anyone has to like dolphin porn music, not any more than one has to like or dislike cheesy wah-wah guitar drenched human porn from the 70's...

Dolphin porn either speaks to you, or don't, and it's all good.

But yes... people used to say the same things about human porn in the past all the time. I have an 80 years old friend who STILL thinks a porn should have no music in it. He says it always gets in the way of the action. It takes an open mind to really appreciate dolphins. And of course, we have a very different speech community with dolphins. They are just much more subtle creatures than we are, it finds its way in their music too. But it doesn't mean we have to slag them!:friendly_wink:

fronobulax · Nov 7, 2014

Sorry, I'm still stuck on "dolphin porn" a concept that I had not previously encountered in any speech community that would have me. Somehow it seems important to cite Rule 34 right now.

In the spirit of introspection let me note that many of the issues that have required Moderation stem from two causes. The first is that written communication in a forum like LTG lacks several clues for interpretation, most notably emotion. So people routinely read things in other people's posts that are not there and were not intended. Second people often say "X is good/bad" when they really mean "I think X is good/bad". The former provokes a defensive reaction that the latter does not. I mention these primarily because this thread has come close to getting closed but has not actually crossed the line. But if I had closed it (or if I lock it in the future) one of the above items is almost certainly going to be part of my reasoning.

Frank Zappa said:
Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny.

(The above is a quasi-random attempt to link two veers. I have found that in my dotage, it is not nearly as important to me whether someone agrees with my opinion about something as personal as music, as it once was).

Westerly Wood · Nov 7, 2014

Just saw the retail price for the archtop guild I want....ah...not happening. But it was a good quick spell of GAS for a non-acoustic Guild, rare for me

Neal · Nov 7, 2014

Do not despair, Woody. There are affordable options.

A vintage X-50 arch-top can be had for under $1000, as can the new Korean Guilds (Newark Street).

I have an eye peeled for an X-50 right now, given that my bad case of Guild Acoustic Acquisition Disease has just about run its course. Need to find something new to obsess about!

Neal

Westerly Wood · Nov 7, 2014

i just think they would be really easy and cool to fingerpick and do some slide as well in G tuning. with a little distortion on there.

houseisland · Nov 7, 2014

By the way, it's a nice Guild that Mary is holding, isn't it?

davismanLV · Nov 7, 2014

So, to Neal and Woody..... although I know it's a distinct category of guitars, I always think of archtops as "acoustic" guitars. Am I mistaken? Or is it a gray area? I know they're electrified, but I consider them "acoustic". What d'ya think?

walrus · Nov 7, 2014

Yes, it is, thank you!

walrus

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