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JerryR said:
The Romano Celtic civilisation left in Britain after the Legions retrenced to Rome were prey to mud hut living barbarians (Saxons) who kept invading. The tribal Britons briefly unified under a war leader (known as Arthur) but after his death, split up again into tribes and were taken out bit by bit by the Saxon invaders. Somehow, I feel a lot of sympathy for the native Americans :!:
Hi Jerry; thank you for the civics lesson; there was a lot of that invading thing going on back in the day ... Huns / Vandals / Goths from the east, Vikings and later Swedes into north central YerUp ... I though Queen (not the band) Boodicka (phonetic) was a real person but I though Arthur first appeared on the back of cereal boxes or Classics Comics. Yup; ugly stuff w/ the native Americans ranking right up there with addicting the chinese to opium so (un-named) countries could sell them tea ... as a famous philosopher once said:

a lot of funky *hit goin' down in the city...


Somewhere I have Welsh ancestors ... maybe we're cousins of a kind :shock: cj
 

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Native Americans, of late, have had much better legal counsel than most vanquished peoples.

Unfortunately they can no longer chase the buffalo migrating across the prairrie or harvest subsistence from rivers & lakes but things are looking up,

Rumour here is the Muckleshoot Casino & Ampitheater complex run by the tribe drops close to 2 grand a month into the pockets of every tribe member. Family of four that's 6 figures.

Native American Gaming is big Business & the Casino parking lots here are packed. Big name music acts booked regularly.

http://www.indiancasinodirectory.org/

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Rumour here is the Muckleshoot Casino & Ampitheater complex run by the tribe drops close to 2 grand a month into the pockets of every tribe member. Family of four that's 6 figures.
Hi Jeff: The Hardrock Cafe / Casino / Hotel complex in Hollywood FL is now owned completely by the Seminole Indians (...Incorported). They recently bought out the developer's minority ownership position for $1B over and above the developer's incurred cost and fee. The suite where Anna N. Smith stayed rents at a premium to the other suites .... look for the sheets to show up on eBay.... cj
 

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..but I though Arthur first appeared on the back of cereal boxes or Classics Comics.

Hi cousin John ( :shock: :oops: )


I just made the mistake of typing have a page, going to google for a reference than coming back to find I've lost the lot :cry:

So here is a shortened version.

First reference to Arthur by the monk Gildas shortly after Arthur's time refers to the Britons defeating the Saxons at Mons Baddonis 'and Arthur was with them in those times',

Best bet for Arthur out of many (and discounting a Sarmatan Cavalry Officer up by Hadrians Wall) was Owen Ddantgwyn, King of Powys, whose 'war name' was 'Owen the Bear'. In Romano Cletic language, Brythonic 'Arth', Latin 'Ursus' = 'Bear' - he was Owen Arth-Ursus.

The earliest Welsh legends mention Gwain (Gawain), Kai (Kay) and Bedwere (Bedevere) - and Gwynnefer (Guinevere) but no Launcelot - the knights and the round table being added about 700 years later in early medieval French legends. However, the city where the Celtic King of Kings were crowned, before the Romans came (now Colchester) was called by the Romans Camelodunum - so probably originally Camelod :mrgreen:

http://gorddcymru.org/twilight/camelot/ ... odunum.htm
 

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First reference to Arthur by the monk Gildas shortly after Arthur's time refers to the Britons defeating the Saxons at Mons Baddonis 'and Arthur was with them in those times'...Best bet for Arthur out of many (and discounting a Sarmatan Cavalry Officer up by Hadrians Wall) was Owen Ddantgwyn, King of Powys, whose 'war name' was 'Owen the Bear'. In Romano Cletic language, Brythonic 'Arth', Latin 'Ursus' = 'Bear' - he was Owen Arth-Ursus....
Hi Cousin; thank you for straightening me out; I though Artie was closer to a myth than a guy, owning a home, paying taxes and all. Like people of diferent ages, no matter what, the younger will never catch the older.

On this side, we really have no appreciation for civilizations that, in one form or another, pre-date our by 10 - 20 centuries. An Austrian-born friend, now naturalized, used to chuckle at Americans and their reverence for Ivy League schools - most of which are entitled to their renown. My friend went to a University that was founded in the 12th century. Yes; you and most YerPeens are accurate, if not correct, regarding the US's vainglorious view of itself.

I have a maternal Great-Great Grandfather who was Welsh; descended from the Welsh who were the earliest settlers in Virginia's northern Shenandoah Valley in the 1750s. His forefathers migrated into eastern Ohio; he served with the Union army in our civil war and is buried at Arlington National Cemetery. The family name is Morgan which, as I understand, equates to all the Jones, Smiths, Greens, and Browns put together - the name is common as grass.

We'll have to have a family reunion!

cj (in welsh: 'cj') :mrgreen:
 

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JerryR said:
First reference to Arthur by the monk Gildas shortly after Arthur's time refers to the Britons defeating the Saxons at Mons Baddonis 'and Arthur was with them in those times'...Best bet for Arthur out of many (and discounting a Sarmatan Cavalry Officer up by Hadrians Wall) was Owen Ddantgwyn, King of Powys, whose 'war name' was 'Owen the Bear'. In Romano Cletic language, Brythonic 'Arth', Latin 'Ursus' = 'Bear' - he was Owen Arth-Ursus....
Hi Cousin; thank you for straightening me out; I though Artie was closer to a myth than a guy, owning a home, paying taxes and all. Like people of diferent ages, no matter what, the younger will never catch the older.

On this side, we really have no appreciation for civilizations that, in one form or another, pre-date our by 10 - 20 centuries. An Austrian-born friend, now naturalized, used to chuckle at Americans and their reverence for Ivy League schools - most of which are entitled to their renown. My friend went to a University that was founded in the 12th century. Yes; you and most YerPeens are accurate, if not correct, regarding the US's vainglorious view of itself.

I have a maternal Great-Great Grandfather who was Welsh; descended from the Welsh who were the earliest settlers in Virginia's northern Shenandoah Valley in the 1750s. His forefathers migrated into eastern Ohio; he served with the Union army in our civil war and is buried at Arlington National Cemetery. The family name is Morgan which, as I understand, equates to all the Jones, Smiths, Greens, and Browns put together - the name is common as grass.

We'll have to have a family reunion!

cj (in welsh: 'cj') :mrgreen:

My Gt Gt direct male line grandpa John was a mariner, sailing out of Bristol (and his father before him). His usual sailing route on the tall ships was to the West Indies and back. The surname then was spelled Rees, which is specifically of Welsh origins, a variant of Rhys = 'Ardour' or 'Passionate Keeness' :)
 

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My Gt Gt direct male line grandpa John was a mariner, sailing out of Bristol (and his father before him). His usual sailing route on the tall ships was to the West Indies and back. The surname then was spelled Rees, which is specifically of Welsh origins, a variant of Rhys = 'Ardour' or 'Passionate Keeness' :)
Yup; Les Anglais considered the Welsh totally unruly and to keep 'em in / hold 'em out, the Englishes built some of the finest castles on the welsh frontier, no? I have difficulty with the printed welsh language; looks like too few vowels and not enough consonants ... LLots of DDouyyble LLetrs tooo....cheers. J
 

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JerryR said:
My Gt Gt direct male line grandpa John was a mariner, sailing out of Bristol (and his father before him). His usual sailing route on the tall ships was to the West Indies and back. The surname then was spelled Rees, which is specifically of Welsh origins, a variant of Rhys = 'Ardour' or 'Passionate Keeness' :)
Yup; Les Anglais considered the Welsh totally unruly and to keep 'em in / hold 'em out, the Englishes built some of the finest castles on the welsh frontier, no? I have difficulty with the printed welsh language; looks like too few vowels and not enough consonants ... LLots of DDouyyble LLetrs tooo....cheers. J

LL is pronounced rather like you are clearing phlegm from your throat - it;s called a 'glottal stop'. DD is a TH sound.F is V, Y is E - all very simple :mrgreen: Llanfynedd becomes Clanvaneth - but a nice slushy throat clearing start to the word :mrgreen:
 

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LL is pronounced rather like you are clearing phlegm from your throat - it;s called a 'glottal stop'. DD is a TH sound.F is V, Y is E - all very simple :mrgreen: Llanfynedd becomes Clanvaneth - but a nice slushy throat clearing start to the word :mrgreen:
Is there such a thing as native Welsh songs/music? At the risk of sounding distasteful, if the singer has the mic close, does the listener get alot of .... uh .... glottal effect? Is the language 'official', taught in the elementary schools?
 

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capnjuan said:
JerryR said:
LL is pronounced rather like you are clearing phlegm from your throat - it;s called a 'glottal stop'. DD is a TH sound.F is V, Y is E - all very simple :mrgreen: Llanfynedd becomes Clanvaneth - but a nice slushy throat clearing start to the word :mrgreen:
Is there such a thing as native Welsh songs/music? At the risk of sounding distasteful, if the singer has the mic close, does the listener get alot of .... uh .... glottal effect? Is the language 'official', taught in the elementary schools?


Bearing in mind I am several generations removed, I am speaking second hand here. Yes - Welsh is an official language, taught in schools, and all official forms have to be bilingual as do road signs (Welsh first) - so when you get over the border you get 'Croesu i Gymru' - Welcome to Wales. The welsh are more into bardic poetry, and have 'National Eistedfodds' - like we have music festivals - all done in Welsh. Not much in the way of traditional songs or music, unlike the Scots or Irish - they love Male Voice Choirs - mainly singing Hymns in Welsh :shock:
 
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