Westerly Collection 12 Strings

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Hello!


How close are the current Westerly Collection 12 strings to the actual Westerly guitars in terms of bracing and other design features?

It seems that the lacquer is thicker.

In my opinion, they sound and play really good, definitely useful for professional level performances. But I never really could compare them to older Guilds or even current models built in the USA.
 

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Welcome. I think the Westerly Collection instruments all use a poly finish whereas most of the US made instruments will be NCL. Lots of folks think poly feels thicker.

Not sure where you want to go with your comparison. The Newark Street electrics were presented as a "reimagining" of vintage instruments. That meant they would change features (compared to the vintage) if there was a reason to do so. While the (ill-advised, IMO) decision to name a line of instruments "the Westerly Collection" might invite a comparison to Guilds made in Westerly, RI I believe the same design philosophy applies. So it might be more fruitful to identify specific features on a specific model (and perhaps time period, as well) that was made in RI and then ask which Westerly Collection instruments have the features or come closest to having them.

If you are looking for a generalization I think most folks would favor the vintage instruments but they also understand that they are comparing instruments that were designed to be sold at significantly different price points. I would be surprised and disappointed if the $1,500 guitar was not better than the $500 instrument.
 

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Welcome. I think the Westerly Collection instruments all use a poly finish whereas most of the US made instruments will be NCL. Lots of folks think poly feels thicker.
"YES", all the MIC flattops are poly finish, and all the US models are NCL now, even the M20 which was originally described as having a "self-catalyzing varnish" finish now shows satin NCL finish.
 
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Thank you for your replies.

To be more specific, I was wondering about the technical differences between:

F-1512
F-2512
D-1212

and their Westerly and current counterparts.
 

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The basic idea for the jumbo rosewood F-1512 is a F-512 but with minimum bling more like the former maple JF-30-12.
The jumbo maple F-2512 as an arched back maple version is coming from the F-412 idea, again with minumum optical bling like the JF-30-12.
And an all mahogany dreadnougt D-1212 can only be compared to an older D-15-12 or the very rare D-17-12.

Ralf
 

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The F-1512 and F-2512 have gotten good reviews at the Acoustic Guitar Forum for good bang for the buck. If you have a budget that just won't get you a real F-512 or F-412, but have the 122 string itch, they are worth a look.
 

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Thank you for your replies.

To be more specific, I was wondering about the technical differences between:

F-1512
F-2512
D-1212

and their Westerly and current counterparts.
Unless somebody here reports on things like bracing dimensions I doubt we'll ever know if that critical element was directly copied in the MIC guitars.

When first introduced as the GAD (Guild Acoustic Design) series, the line was described as being based on Guild design concepts, so they're not just "contracted" with the Guild badge being pasted on a complete non-Guild product.

In fact, in the late '90's Fender instituted a project of codifying/formalizing the specs for the Guild line, since no blueprints had ever been made, described here:

A couple of years ago it occurred to me that those prints could very well have served as the seeds of the GAD series. So I have a very strong suspicion that the specs are as close to US-built as possible in the high-volume manufacturing environment at Grand Reward Education and Entertainment, the Chinese factory that has been making the MIC imports since day one.

Some of the MIC models offered 1-3/4 nuts when domestic models didn't, like the GADF30. And some MIC models got wood binding and even bone nuts and saddles where their US counterparts still used plastic.

One MAJOR difference is that all the MIC guitars have their truss adjustment nut located inside the heelblock, whereas all US-builts have it in the headstock.

Also, we've noted small fractions of an inch difference in lower bout dimensions between the F512 and its MIC Counterparts, the MICs are a tad smaller.

I also don't know if the MIC 12-ers ever had dual truss rods as all the US-builts did until ca '07 in Tacoma.
 
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Thanks for the informative posts. This is a great place to learn.

Years ago, I e-mailed Guild, asking if the F-512 Maple has laminate sides, because the website didn't say that they were solid.

They replied saying that the F-512 Maple has solid sides, and the signature arched laminate back.

I suspect that the F-2512 has both laminate back & sides.

Not that it matters much but it's a technical difference.
 
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I just found another difference: scale length.

The U. S. models have a slightly longer scale at 25 5/8'' compared to the 25 1/2'' of the Westerly Collection guitars.
 

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Westerly RI 12ers are on reverb, north of 1k typically nowadays...but they are prevalent. I am glad Guild made so many D25s and 12 strings while in Rhode Island.
 

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Those very early rosewood F1512's quickly developed a favorable reputation - they looked good with their gold tuners and block fret markers too - both features downgraded in later models.

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Thank you for your replies.

To be more specific, I was wondering about the technical differences between:

F-1512
F-2512
D-1212

and their Westerly and current counterparts.
With Westerly Collection guitars, a number starting with 1 is all solid wood and one starting with 2 is laminated back and sides.
 

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I believe the Made in China 12-string jumbo's have the old dual truss rod system where the USA guitars use the single rod with 2 support bars system adopted late 2007/early 2008 during the Tacoma period.
 
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