Rare Gibson/Maestro GA2RVT

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Here on eBay. One of the many red-headed step-children of Ted McCarty and Seth Lover as they tried to sustain sales of nearly a dozen or so models at every price point including amps aimed at the accordion market ... where the 'Maestro' line got started. This GA2RVT is the tweed GA19RVT Falcon taken a couple of steps further ... farther?

The auction amp:

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From the back:

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The pic with the cleanest tolex. The footswitches on all the tweed-era models were made from blocks of Philippine mahogany and can be refinished to perfection:

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And from the side:

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These are file pics of another GA2RVT that sold a couple of years ago in the $1,200-$1,300 range:

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Another view of the front:

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From the back including all the original knobs:

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The GA2RVT uses 4 6EU7s in the preamp and a 12AX[U maybe?]7 driver; twin 6V6s out with a 5Y3 rectifier ... about 15 watts. The tweed GA19 used one less 6EU7. The auction amp is fitted with a Jensen C12R ... the GA19s had P10Rs ... P10Rs because the speaker bell on a P12R would physically conflict with the tubes ... the ceramic magnets on the 'C' series Jensens are shallower and don't hit the tubes.

Schmatic here (at Schematic Heaven's 'mirror site' ... can take a while to load) The reverb circuit in the blue box is the same as the GA19/GA30/GA77 and Fender on-board designs ... two tube sections ramping up the signal strength to drive the reverb transformer and can. The tremolo circuit in red is the same as the GA18 and other tweed and Crest era amps; very breathy and organic. Finally the GA2RVT borrows a filter from the GA20T/GA40LP design ... in magenta ... thought [by people who actually know about these things] to be a filter to damp low frequency oscillation especially if the tremolo is kicked in. My GA20T has the same R/C array and I've experimented with bypassing it ... the amp can get a little rowdy.

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According to the seller: "... it does have both reverb and Vibrato, but neither are currently working. I suspect the footswitch has a disconnected wire, but I could be wrong. " I suspect he's full of it but whatever it is and no matter what you see, these are pretty simple circuits to troubleshoot. It has newer caps but seller doesn't mention whether the power cord has been upgraded ... can't tell from pics ... can't tell much of anything from the pics.

Not sure what Gibson/Maestro amp model she's using but I know many of you play your electric rigs in church ... well so does Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

If this isn't what you're getting out of your rig, you should bidding in this auction. :wink:
 

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Much better sounding without that filter. That channel just seem meek with it hooked up.
 

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In the middle of that filter is an odd-ball place to take the signal for the reverb drive tubes. I mean even acordionistas playing rock and roll ... ok ... didn't really see that much of that ... but I guess they were trying to do the tighten up on the signal ... agree ... the filter acts like a wad of cotton.
 
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1st post...long time lurker....GREAT INFO and Reading Here!!!
I have a Maestro M-2RVT waiting in the garage....works, but needs maintence.
(Kind of dull and lifeless right now.....BUT more gain than my Ga19 crestline.)
EE caps, component / connection check and remove the Ga20/Ga40 ? filter? on one channel.
The ?filter? channel has a high pitched wine with channel volume above noon...
It is a 12au7 PI and Reverb drive....
Mine is Gray w/Gray grill cloth and a Quam 15"...Some came with 15" in a cab about the size of a Ga30rv...the eBay one is a 12" and about 2" smaller, all around.
The Reverb on Ga19's used a 7199 (tweed) and a 6c4 (Crestline).
My M-2rvt reverb is more like the Ga30rv......IF I can figure out how to post pics', I will! Hey!!!! It worked!!! :D

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DH
M2rvt
Ga15rvt, Ga19rvt, Ga20rvt, Ga30rvt
Supro S6606
Traynor YGM3
Yamaha G50-112-II
Laney LC15r
( I gotta sell some of these!!)
 

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Hi DH and welcome to LTG(a) ... (Let's Talk Gibson amplifiers) What a great old amp. Didn't know that some of grey-tolex models came with 15" speakers ... don't think any of the tweed versions did but makes sense if you're selling to accordion players. I can see where they notched the bottom baffleboard batten to drop the speaker down as far as it could go.

As for the channel two R/C filter, if you get the amp running and stable, we can fool around with the filter. If you wanted to and if you have two input jacks on channel two, you could sacrifice one chassis hole and put a switch there that could switch the filter in and out of the circuit ... because you'd get a big pop, you wouldn't be able to do it while playing or at volume ... but ... first things first.

It needs new PS caps and a 3-wire cord and, if it were mine, I'd change all the electrolytic cathode resistor bypass caps .. preamp and 6V6. Don't know how good you are around the bench ... can you do the caps and cord? Cleaning the controls and reverb in/out cable plugs and jacks can can cure a lot of bugs. Happy to help; if you need it, we'd need more better gooder shots of the chassis interior ... good light and in focus ... Welcome to LTG(a)! :D
 
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Thanks for the welcome!!
To me the M2-rvt/Ga2-rvt look suspiciously like these:
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/gibson/ba15rv.pdf
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/gibson/ea_15rvt-zephyr.pdf
And (no links ) the Ga45/Ga45rv (4x8 Harp amp). Plus/Minus Tremolo.

As for mine, It NEEDS:
A GOOD CLEANING....previous owner had back panel mounted upside-down...
the vents were venting the inside of the chassis Not the tubes :roll:
( Insert fingers HERE!!)
New 3-prong, gromet, remove death cap/polarity switch.
There's no hum, but, I'll re-do all the EE's and B+ res.(look very pourous)
V5 socket is almost full-floating...to be replaced, others retensioned.
Pots don't scratch.....
Bypass the filter, and see what source makes the reverb happy.
Signal caps are brown bloobs....? Would you guys go with OD's or Mallory 150 type????
( I don't think I can tell the diff )
New 5y3 & 6v6's....pre's all look and sound OK.
EXPERIENCE:
I have an old band buddy who's a tech. He'll attempt to fix what I broke without a lecture!!!
But, I'll be sure to update you guys.
and THANKS in advance, just in case.
 
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AND.....
ALL the Gray ones I've seen had a 'Seran' (Caneish?) grill,
but,maybe this one doesn't match any published schematics either!!!
 

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Hi dh: I think you'll find that the differences between the GA2RVT, the Epiphone, EA15RVT, and the amp aren't worth talking about ... they're all the same. Yes; caneish grill ... I don't think I've ever seen what you have in an original model.

I personally think there's a difference between ODs and Mallory 150s; I've used both and it really depends on preference; the ODs are a little brighter, a more etched sound ... said in the negative, a somewhat surgical sound. The Mallories are softer and add/detract less. Respectfully, I don't think your amp is oozing collector value ... which is to say there's no penalty for replacing the chocolate drops; I thought they were muddy but, again, everybody's ears are different.

Somebody mislabeled that one schematic; not a 'BA15RF' it's 'EA15RV'; those are Epiphone schemos and they didn't make a 'BA' anything.
 
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Cap'n,
the BA-15rv is the BELL version...like the BELL 30rv is a Ga78 or 79rv...
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I'm not really concerned about collectability....
if I like it, I keep it, if I don't like it, I'll pass it on.
BUT, I'll never REALLY understand why identical
Gibson/Epi/Maestro/Bell amps don't equate in collectability,
especially when the off line brands are even rarer out of only 135 total in 1961...
oooops...off brands weren't TWEED....can't be just as good!!!
BUT, this one was WAY, WAY less than $1K+ and that makes me happy!

My Ga19rvt has OD's, I'll try 150's in the M2rvt and see if I can hear the improvement!
THANKS again.
 

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dh280 said:
... I have a Maestro M-2RVT waiting in the garage....
dh280 said:
Cap'n, the BA-15rv is the BELL version...like the BELL 30rv is a Ga78 or 79rv...
Okay, that would explain the schematics and the odd-looking grill ... it's still a pretty cool amp. The Gibson/Epi/Maestro/Bell amps were all left in the dust of Fender's commercial success. You can say what you want about Leo Fender's design/tone genius but it was their marketing that made the difference ... that and the fact that they were an amp company first and a guitar company second while Gibson/Epi was a guitar company first and an amp company second; the amps were accessories to be sold in conjunction with guitars ... largely the same attitude that Guild had towards its own amps.

Wallace Marx' book Gibson Amplifiers 1933-2008 – 75 Years of the Gold Tone, goes into some detail about Ted McCarty, Seth Lover, and their attitudes towards guitar amps. Both were avid stereophiles which is reflected in the high-line GA78s/79s/83s(?) and other stereo amps; they wanted their stuff to look like it belonged in the grill room of a local country club or somebody's den or library. And they hated '... wolf tones ...' ... the wailing, approaching-distortion rock and roll sound generated by Fender amps. Ted McCarty is credited with Gibson's success largely on the basis of the Les Paul and ES335 ... he didn't need a line of successful amps to keep his job with his board of directors ... Gibson was making good money selling guitars ... anything they made selling amps ... well ... that was just more gravy.

Right now, it's the tweed-era Gibsons in prime condition that bring top dollar $1,200 - $1,500; a couple of years ago and partly because Victoria brought back the GA40 with 5879s, Gibson GA40 LPs were bringing the big money. Anyway, if you are a Fender guy, you might not like the tone. Not because it sounds bad, but unless you re-wire the tone stack and phase inverter and replace the output transformer, it will never sound like a Fender. Good luck with it!
 

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capnjuan said:
dh280 said:
... I have a Maestro M-2RVT waiting in the garage....
dh280 said:
Cap'n, the BA-15rv is the BELL version...like the BELL 30rv is a Ga78 or 79rv...
Okay, that would explain the schematics and the odd-looking grill ... it's still a pretty cool amp. The Gibson/Epi/Maestro/Bell amps were all left in the dust of Fender's commercial success. You can say what you want about Leo Fender's design/tone genius but it was their marketing that made the difference ... that and the fact that they were an amp company first and a guitar company second while Gibson/Epi was a guitar company first and an amp company second; the amps were accessories to be sold in conjunction with guitars ... largely the same attitude that Guild had towards its own amps.
Wallace Marx' book Gibson Amplifiers 1933-2008 – 75 Years of the Gold Tone, goes into some detail about Ted McCarty, Seth Lover, and their attitudes towards guitar amps. Both were avid stereophiles which is reflected in the high-line GA78s/79s/83s(?) and other stereo amps; they wanted their stuff to look like it belonged in the grill room of a local country club or somebody's den or library. And they hated '... wolf tones ...' ... the wailing, approaching-distortion rock and roll sound generated by Fender amps. Ted McCarty is credited with Gibson's success largely on the basis of the Les Paul and ES335 ... he didn't need a line of successful amps to keep his job with his board of directors ... Gibson was making good money selling guitars ... anything they made selling amps ... well ... that was just more gravy.
Right now, it's the tweed-era Gibsons in prime condition that bring top dollar $1,200 - $1,500; a couple of years ago and partly because Victoria brought back the GA40 with 5879s, Gibson GA40 LPs were bringing the big money. Anyway, if you are a Fender guy, you might not like the tone. Not because it sounds bad, but unless you re-wire the tone stack and phase inverter and replace the output transformer, it will never sound like a Fender. Good luck with it!
Hey capn, thanks for the history lesson. Informative and interesting... 8)
 

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Sold: $896. Held back by bad cosmetics.
 
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