Pawn Shop D40

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Much to my surprise a D40 is hanging on the wall in a local pawn shop. Serial # 76354. 1973???

Condition is not as good as the one I eyeballed for super8 recently. Some dings on the side that go right thru the finish. Very little saddle left but action looked ok. Needs a fret polish at least, lots of finish checking. Just a bit beat up looking.

And the price. $2,099. My experence with local pawn shops is you can generally get at least 25% to maybe 50% off. So maybe $1,400. Still seems just a tad high. This is the first time I've ever seen a high end acoustic in a local pawn shop. The odd American made Les Paul, Strat or Tele, sure. Next to the Guild was a lower end Taylor, 110 series for $540. Sign of the times maybe???
 

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Hi keel,

What happened to pawn shop prices??
What they're asking is plain ridiculous for a beat up looking D40.
Maybe they should take a quick look at Ebay before sticking a price tag on a guitar....
:shock: :? :eek:
 
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That's just a ridiculous price.

I bought a D40 or similar age and condition about 18 months ago for $350. Prices have not gone up that much.

Jim
 

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jwsamuel said:
That's just a ridiculous price.

I bought a D40 or similar age and condition about 18 months ago for $350. Prices have not gone up that much.

Jim

I agree!!
 
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Offer them 500 cash. You're going to have to set it up and deal with fret, saddle, nut and neck work which is going to be another few hundred. But then, the powers willing, you'll have a killer dread.
 

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Remember seeing a Martin D-1 at a local pawnshop a few years ago selling for the same price as a new one at Mass Street Music a mile away. And the one at the pawnshop needed at least a couple hunnert dollars work. Trolling for suckers I guess, even at 2/3 the asking would be a wash, and no warranty to boot and with the hassle involved.....Sheesh.
Remember they read same forums, ebay postings, etc. that we do, so they get inflated ideas of value.
Same place sells guns at inflated prices as well, but the gun market has gone nuts so hard to say what is inflated there.

Harmony H-173 bought in 1960 (retired), Alvarez AC60S 2008, Eastman AC320ce 2008 "Hybrid", Guild GAD-JF30E(blonde) 2008, Guild JF55 1997, Guild D25M 1974, Martin Grand J35E 2009
 

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This belongs in the "C'mon, man!" thread.

What a CRAZY asking price. It will sit forever at that rate. Are there people out there that really pay $2K for guitars without having a clue what they are or are worth? Especially since we're not talking about a Martin, Gibson, etc. here.

Silly pawn shop!
 

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When I first spotted the D40 the price tag was tucked into the strings and I could just see a "2" and a "9". I'm thinkin' "$299, best pawn shop score in ages". I read the tag a couple times thinking I'm missing something. I may go back and try and talk some sense into the manager. But, given the asking price I suspect they have at least $800 into it.

Pawnshop prices are so all over the place. There are dozens in the area and I've scored a lot of guitars over the years. But 90% of the inventory is overpriced junk. All my finds I've bought, fixed up a bit and resold. Never made any big $$ but usually came out ahead and the buyers still got some good deals.

Some of the good scores over the last few years.
Eko Ranger dread, 12 string.
70's vintage Takamine Jumbo, Guild clone. Should have kpet this one!!!
Washburn Festival EA20
Slope shoulder Washburn, cedar top, birds eye maple back and sides. Amazing how dirty this guitar was. Literally stuck a vacuum cleaner into the sound hole to get the dirt out. But under the crud was a very nice slope shoulder dread.
MIM 70's reissue strat. Natural ash body. w/ Fender hard case. This was one of the real good deals. Paid $150 and the guitar was in pretty good shape. Just dirty and needed a tone knob. Once I got it spiffed up it looked new. Sold it for about $225, so made a few bucks and the buyer got a nice strat for pretty cheap.
 

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The last time I was in a pawn shop I noticed used guitars, garbage if you will; was obnoxiously overpriced. They had an F40 that looked like it had been drug behind a car and wanted $1700 for it. :shock: I wanted the guitar, but didn't want to get into a dickering contest over the price. I politely and respectfully bowed out.

Heh heh..... in the end I felt that I recieved more satisfaction knowing that I didn't give him my money. :mrgreen:
 

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Pawnshops in general are a hard place to find deals on guitars, or anything else, but bargains do exist.

Based on my own experience, here's how the game is played.

A pawnbroker makes money 2 ways. #1 loaning money against the value of merchandise. Pawn loans are made to people who can't get the money any other way, or in a very short time frame. The interest rate is about 10-35% per month, and in most states you loose your right to reclaim your pawn after 90 days. Laws and shop rules vary, but that's the usual scenario. Loans are how a shop wants to make it's money. Maximum return, for minimal effort/investment. Their best customers are regular working stiffs who are bad money managers. These folks show up once or twice a month and need a few bucks until payday. They pay the loan off in a few days, or a week or two and because there is a per transaction fee in addition to interest, the shops return is higher. These types usually pawn for a lower percentage of an items value, to avoid getting in too deep. When these folks do loose their nut, the item may be a good deal for a buyer.

The other way a pawnshop makes money is buying merchandise outright, and selling at a profit. The deal is buy as low as possible, and sell as high as possible. They only purchase items they think they can move quickly, and only pay 10- 20% more than the max they would loan on the item. Remember they want to loan money. They don't want to buy and sell, they do it when loan business is slow and merchandise is bought low enough to guarantee a tidy profit. They sell stuff cheap when they need money to loan. They sell stuff cheap when too many unredeemed pawn tickets clutter their shop with merchandise. They have many places to sell outside their shop. Customers who walk in account for perhaps 30% of sales. Selling too many bargains over the counter brings in the wrong clientele, people who have money. A pawnbroker seeks people who need money.

So how do you find a bargain in a pawnshop? It ain't easy. Pawnbrokers are shrewd businessmen, they read people like books, have hearts like lions and balls of steel. They deal with the dregs of society every day. Their business is dependent on a steady flow, of exactly the right mix of people all day, every day. The merchandise on the walls is flash, to keep that mix of people flowing, remember they have other sales outlets. You need to get to know the person in charge. The best deals go to regulars, on a keep it confidential basis. Buy a little, sell a little, take a small loan now and then. The man in charge has to know your face and name. You can get lucky too, and show up at the right time and make the right offer when the man needs money.

A pawnshop ain't a simple business, and yes I worked in one once, long ago.
 

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There are some good deals to be found in pawn shops. Often by accident. :wink:

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Great shape, GREAT sound, OHSC, tax/title/license, $500. :D

Happy I am,
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A pawnshop ain't a simple business, and yes I worked in one once, long ago.

Doc, thanks for sharing your experiences. That is good information.

On the infrequent occasions I drop by one of the local pawn shops, I usually find marginally or not interesting guitars that are waaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced. Which pretty much bears out what you were saying.

~nw
 

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I had my last good pawn shop deal in the early 90's.
My Gibson Dove for $750.... Only had to change the strings and clean it up some.
Came in the original Gibson case too.
Like Doc said, I guess I showed up at the right time.
 

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Dr. Spivey said:
A pawnshop ain't a simple business, and yes I worked in one once, long ago.
Thanks for the insight. Very interesting.

What are the other sales outlets a pawn shop uses (besides the shop's walk in traffic, eBay and presumably flea market types of things) or is that a trade secret? I presume there are rarely bargains there, too :wink:

Thanks.
 

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fronobulax said:
What are the other sales outlets a pawn shop uses (besides the shop's walk in traffic, eBay and presumably flea market types of things) or is that a trade secret? I presume there are rarely bargains there, too :wink:

Thanks.

frono, No trade secrets from my point of view, Jerry, the guy I worked for was a close friend who has been dead for 20 years. He always operated with his own money (most do), and the "secret" is to juggle all the balls and keep a steady flow. Sometimes we would hit a stretch where we'd loan $1500-$2000 a day, for a week, most of it on tickets of $50 or less, and take in almost zero. The word hits the street that Ace Pawn is making lots of small loans, and every alky, junkie, and hooker with a broken leg shows up. You have to keep loaning, but be selective, pick the cream of the loser crop so to speak. You have to keep some money back for the regulars and legit folks with big ticket items. You wouldn't believe how often small businessmen made their payroll with a loan from us. While all this is going on, you need to bring some money in. Have a sale, but don't sell all the good looking items that bring in traffic. Dump the junk for a small profit or sometimes none. Work the phone on late payments, take short payments if you have to. And sell everything you can "out the back door." You have a network, friends, family, second hand shops, collectors, flea marketeers, individuals who resell, music stores, book stores, small time jewelers, gun shops and anything else that works.

The trick with selling outside your store is to make the merchandise disappear, out of view of your customers . Whether they sold or pawned, they resent you for profiting as a middle man. You have an understanding with the people in your network. You're in most items for 30% of their value, you sell to them for 50% and you don't care what they do with it, as long as they do it somewhere down the road. When you sell to friends, family and collectors, if they do resell, usually sufficient time passes that it doesn't matter. You got to fill that vault again to make them loans, that's the heart of your business.

A lot of things have changed in the last 15 or so years. Payday loans and car title loans. The internet. Chain or franchise pawnshops, like Gold Exchange or Mr. Money have an entirely different business method than the independents, and try to squeeze them out. These businesses can benefit buyers who frequent the indies, in some areas they are forced to sell more over the counter than they would like.

Pawnshops are like gambling, learn the game, study the players and you can have some fun and make (or save) a little money. On a good day Lady Luck might even smile at you. :wink:
 

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There's a new "reality" show on History Channel, "Pawn Stars". Pretty much echoes everything you've said Doc, except "selling out the back door" hasn't been mentioned yet. It IS a cash flow business. The boss is pretty blunt with the customers about "retail" vs "wholesale" pricing. Most of 'em seem to take it pretty well. The appraisal aspect is pretty interesting, anything that the guy doesn't already know the value of, he calls someone to come in and look at. For instance, what was supposed to be a highly desirable '61 Les Paul was in reality just another '73. What really surprised me is that the owner, a working back-up musician, never had it appraised before HE bought it!
 

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I don't have cable, and only watch a couple hours of TV, other than sports a week. I've seen like 10 min. of Pawn Stars twice on the TV at work. Those guys are a pretty upscale outfit, in Vegas, I think. I'm sure there are lots of things they'll never show. I'll have to look around and see it on the 'net one of these days.
 

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Dr. Spivey said:
I don't have cable, and only watch a couple hours of TV, other than sports a week. I've seen like 10 min. of Pawn Stars twice on the TV at work. Those guys are a pretty upscale outfit, in Vegas, I think. I'm sure there are lots of things they'll never show. I'll have to look around and see it on the 'net one of these days.
You got it. What I forgot to mention is that one of the episodes let drop that before mass credit cards, pawnshops were the single most important source of credit in the country. At least their loans were secured by tangible property. Makes a whole lot of sense given what's happened with credit cards/unsecured debt. Gave me a new respect for what has come to be seen as a dishonorable profession, much like car sales, which I did once. :D
 
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