Lil' 12-string identification

[SugarMountain]

when i was in the shop with my D25, i was given a little guild 12 string to play in order to try out the Fishman pick up fitted to it (doesnt in this photo), which i loved and ended up going for that option on my guitar

but, this little 12 string was the most incredible sounding 12 string ive ever come across, really really special

on the stores site they list as an F-12 but i dunno if thats right, if i google it nothing is found, i would have though there would be a number after the 12...i am in no position of affording to buy another guitar for along while but i would like to know which model it is, ya know...incase i win the lottery

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[West R Lee]

Looks like an F112 or 212 to me, but it's hard to tell from the picture.................it's a bit fuzzy on this end.

As far as Guild 12s go, there are many points of contention among owners of various brands of 6 string acoustics, obviously most everyone here believes Guild is the way to go. When it comes to 12s, I think just about worldwide, even Martin and Taylor owners will tell you that Guilds are something special. Just awesome 12 string guitars. Heavy, but unbelievable sound!

West

 

[Guildmark]

Gotta agree with the Westenheimer. I've never heard of an F-12, either. Here's what an F-112 looks like, though, and it looks like a match:

http://www.vintagefret.com/pages/12258.html

Note the big truss rod cover and the lack of inlays - there is no Chesterfield on the headstock or position markers on the frets. It would help to see the back to confirm tonewood and open tuning machines. The F-212 is very similar, but I think it is rosewood, rather than mahogany. (Can anyone verify?)

I posted an entry after playing a Taylor 12 last Tuesday. Short story - I didn't recommend it.
But there's a long, recent thread here titled JF55-12 Half Price Sale that includes a lot of discussion about 12's.
http://www.letstalkguild.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1650&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Is the 12-string GAS building up? Don't look here for sympathy. Go get that puppy. :twisted:

 

[SugarMountain]

its definately a mahogony back, and just like the guy on the site, i usually think 12 strings are a nice idea but alot of effort

my friend has a fender 12 string and if im handed it, in tune...then ill play it and its good fun, but as soon as its out i put it down hehe

but when a guitar sounds THAT nice your up for the effort, it just sounded massive and it was so nice to play didnt feel alot different from a six string

i think the F-112 is a good bet then, i imagine the store just didnt know so listed it as an F-12, i definately dont have the money as im saving so i can learn to drive, but im thinking maybe i can do without driving!! lol
Id hate for it sell and find out later when i have money that it was just this certain F-112 that sounded great

 

[john_kidder]

All you guys who are concerned about keeping a 12 in tune, just spend another $30 and get an electronic tuner that clips on the headstock. Your guitar will ALWAYS be in tune, and you'll discover resonance and tunefulness in a 12-string that you've never known before.

I guarantee this - my first guitar was a 12, in 1965, I've always had one since, and the tuner makes all the difference. Chime on.

 

[Jeff]

I just happen to have a spare Intellitouch tuner, brand new in the box. I misplaced the original, bit the bullet & bought this one new, No sooner got it home & installed the battery & I found the other.

[img:450:337]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid220/p1bac1fd4176d3984ab8829048e09583f/ebcc243b.jpg[/img] [img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid220/p120c11db8542c3bd7d69ad23dabe90e0/ebcc2397.jpg[/img]















[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid220/p770104e9d5c23d9ed1f295396b8aa824/ebcc236b.jpg[/img] [img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid220/p0090d9ef1a61750be5cb59e8a686a6b2/ebcc232e.jpg[/img] I'm not sure this little gizmo I bought for $5.95 doesn't work as well or better. Not the Korg tuner but the plug & clamp. Works on exactly the same principle as the Intellitouch but plugs into the instrument jack of any tuner. I've been looking for my tuning fork to calibrate the Korg for a couple weeks. Korg is pretty old, close to 20 years. Still works great, just a little inconvenient & not chromatic

 

[SugarMountain]

i have a couple Korg tuners and some other broken little ones its funny, i have a real cheapy old one that for some reason works really well with my tele but not with my acoustic

im not a fussy tuner to be honest, i can play a guitar thats a little out and it doesnt bother me too much, part of its charm right?

my credit card is literally sh00ting himself on account of this little 12

 

[Mr. P ~]

I have a old Korg DT-1 that I have had for years, and it works great. My only problem is the writing keeps getting smaller! :roll:

In slow mode you can really get things close to perfect.


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It has a big brother you have seen everywhere.


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......but back to the topic, that sure is a nice little twelve string!!

 

[Guildmark]

My chime says, "I agree completely. Keep the baby in tune and gratification increases geometrically." Even on a Fender.

I have an old Arion tuner, maybe from 1981? It isn't chromatic and it isn't automatic (I have to select the note I want it to recognize), but the VU-like needle is remarkably sensitive and accurate, so I've kept it.

I have a small, cheap (virtually disposable) automatic chromatic tuner by Hartke. Pretty sure it's OEM'd to a few dozen names. It has an LCD display that is very slow to respond. The most redeeming thing about it is the violin setting, which I use to tune my mandolin.

The host of our local open mic sets up a Boss TU2 stomp box for everyone to share. I like the convenience of having it right at my feet without the distraction of it clamped to my peghead - just my pref, Guys. The LED's are easily seen and they're quick. Unfortunately, I can be a little ... deliberate, so the host always has a sheet of rock-n-roll trivia to read off to the audience until I'm good and ready!

 

[john_kidder]

For acoustic guitars, I'm completely converted to the headstock clip-ons. Electric guitars I plug in through an 1982 Boss TU-12H.

 

[Jeff]

My chime says, I have an old Arion tuner, maybe from 1981? It isn't chromatic and it isn't automatic
I have a small, cheap Hartke. It has an LCD display that is very slow to respond.

The Intellitouch has some of the same characteristics. Gets hung up on a tone level & you have to wait till it dies off to proceed.

Back to the topic:
[img:338:450]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid216/pafe30726989f3b60729534364688eb8d/ecb35786.jpg[/img] [img:338:450]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid216/p5ac4b85254f879ff63671cfd36dd5638/ecb3573b.jpg[/img] 12 strings aren't hard to come by, I gave next to nothing for this Washburn. It's has a nice neck & plays easy, the Redhead loves it when I get something right on it. Tuners are junk.

Now, glorious Guild 12 strings are another matter. They come at a more dear price. Washburn gets a nice 12 string vibe but it's not chiming & ringing like the Maple beauty down at the local shop

 

[john_kidder]

Add one more plug for my ancient Ovation 12.

 

[SugarMountain]

Ovations should be illegal, they are morally wrong hehe!
im just joshing with ya, they are nice to play

 

[West R Lee]

Ovation was my first real guitar, just after a nylon stringed Yamaha. I was happy with it until a great friend of mine bought a thing called a Guild D40. Had to make the switch.

West

 

[john_kidder]

Gotta say I've never played an Ovation 6 that turned me on, but the 12-string just seems to work with that synthetic reflector bowl. Clear and bright and beautiful. But I'm on the loookout for an older F-412 - then the OVation will get retired to my brother, who is a better player than I anyway, and who has coveted it for years.

 

[SugarMountain]

I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112
I do not NEED to buy the 73 F-112

If i say it enough with do you think i will overcome my GAS?

 

[Graham]

Only if you believe it, but you don't. :evil:

Do you?
Do you?
Do you?
Do you?

You do
You do
You do
You do

You do need to buy it. :twisted:

See don't you feel better, I do.

Graham

 

[SugarMountain]

the trouble is a different shop, near by me lists a 76 F-112 for £695
on there website, its a considerable amount cheaper, so if it played as nice as the other, i would of at least saved 300 quid, and wont feel as guilty, then its ok right??

right?

 

[Graham]

Absolutley correct! You've come to the right place to help you justify this. We're not just enthusiasts, we're enablers. :shock:

The extra cash could go towards a refret or anything that may make the difference up in sound, if there is one.

300 quid is quite a difference, here anyway. I guess you need to hear the '76 and if it sounds good to you, go for it. It's still a vintage Guild, it has to sound good.

Graham

 

[Graham]

Here's a F-212 sugar. Hmm gotta watch that kinda talk eh?

Anyway looks nice, that's about 700 GBP isn't it? Shipping wouldn't be too bad. I think it's about $300 CAD for UPS expedited. I just shipped a guitar to Scotland regular post 4 - 6 weeks and it was $154 CAD.

The hassle may not be worth it though.

Graham