It's A Freaking Desert

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Sometimes I wonder what the first settlers were thinking when they stood around in Los Angeles when it was an empty desert and said to themselves “yeah this will be a good place to build a city.” Same way places like North Dakota, Buffalo, etc. I guess people wound up there because they didn’t have anywhere else they could go. Or maybe that place had resources that could make them rich.Deadly landscapes yet humans still dared to populate.

There are a lot of places between the Mississippi and the Rockies that I look at and ask WTF were they thinking? Many times the answer is related to minerals - gold and silver being obvious. Free land from the Government was another reason. Rivers and railroads and proximity to mountain passes are others. The "origin story" of some settlements is sometimes hard to decipher because the railroads and/or mines that started the growth are just memories 100 years later.

Not sure why you included Buffalo since access to water can explain much about why it was founded and much of the water is still around. When you grow up along the Erie Canal...
 

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I figured sometimes they just got stuck somewhere. Oxen died, wagon broke beyond fixing. Probably not true, just what I imagined while driving through.
 

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Not sure why you included Buffalo since access to water can explain much about why it was founded and much of the water is still around. When you grow up along the Erie Canal...
I included N Dakota and Buffalo not for water issues, but for the extreme c-c-c-o-l-l-l-d-d-d folks had to fight to survive through every year.
I guess they had their ways and something to make it worthwhile.
 

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Los Angeles was never a dry desert. The LA River than now flows down a concrete channel used to be an alluvial river that ran freely and flooded areas from Los Angeles to San Pedro. Many native villages flourished in the basin’s marshlands. Progress and water battles turned it into a desert.
I believe we may be attempting to make a similar point, but through a different set of filters. The vast majority of LA county & Southern Cal, in it’s natural state, is arid. Whether it be high or low desert elevation shrubbery, or rocky mountainous regions, unless there is a water source, the land is significantly arid. Throughout the Southwest, indeed, Native Americans typically clustered near water sources for obvious reasons, and lived in numbers that were in balance with the resources available.

“Progress” & water battles did not turn LA into a desert - unfortunately it was just the opposite. Schemes to bring water to LA, such as the Owens Valley project, turned LA into an oasis (at the expense of the Owens Valley), and this man-made oasis attracted millions of people to the region from the eastern US who were looking for a new beginning and a better life. It all worked out swimmingly if what you were after was to develop the largest city imaginable. But growing up there in the ‘50s & ‘60s, in almost any direction I traveled through most of the region, as soon as you left a developed cityscape or perhaps a slice of irrigated orange grove, you typically would be traversing a tinderbox landscape - because it was still in it’s natural state. Sadly, if not left naturally arid, a new and rather fitting name was eventually applied to describe much of the land: The Concrete Desert.
 
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NASA satellite images of Lake Meade..currently at 27% (and rapidly disappearing) of what it was just 20 years ago. :oops:

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Unrelated but:
There’s a lake I love to go to and it is the largest natural lake in my state. It is suddenly down to about 15% water now. Just a channel of water along the east side.When I contacted DNR they said from olde aerial photos they can see that in the 1950’s it wasn’t even there. It was a forest back then. Apparently beavers built a dam that keeps the water in, as it is just off a river. Recently, dams broke and the water went back in the river. Until the beavers or DNR build a dam I guess it will vanish again. Still a lot of wildlife there but sad to think it may be gone one day. It has been a happy home to beavers and many other creatures I enjoy seeing whenever I am there.
 

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Unrelated but:
There’s a lake I love to go to and it is the largest natural lake in my state. It is suddenly down to about 15% water now. Just a channel of water along the east side.When I contacted DNR they said from olde aerial photos they can see that in the 1950’s it wasn’t even there. It was a forest back then. Apparently beavers built a dam that keeps the water in, as it is just off a river. Recently, dams broke and the water went back in the river. Until the beavers or DNR build a dam I guess it will vanish again. Still a lot of wildlife there but sad to think it may be gone one day. It has been a happy home to beavers and many other creatures I enjoy seeing whenever I am there.
Yep, that happens quite often in nature. One of the coolest things related to an animal ecosystem dictating water flow was after the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone. When there were no wolves, herbivores would freely graze at a stream's edge, disturbing the root systems that supported a slow moving meandering stream which promoted large meadows of flowering plant life that supported all sorts of other animals. The stream's edges would wash away, the stream would straighten and run fast, and flowering meadows would disappear. Since the wolves were brought back in the mid 90's, all those areas quickly transformed back to the vibrant way they looked 100 years ago. :giggle: (y)
 

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NASA satellite images of Lake Meade..currently at 27% (and rapidly disappearing) of what it was just 20 years ago. :oops:
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Just upstream is Lake Powell & Glen Canyon National Recreation Area. We were there in May to visit our daughter & her husband who works for the park system. This is the end of a very long boat ramp in Bullfrog, Utah. From this departure point, a ferry boat used to take vehicles across the lake to Hall’s Crossing, where the highway continued.

To see it first hand, the situation in the Colorado River Basin is more desperate than you can imagine, and the battles over the last dribbles of water have already begun.

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