How I reset the neck of a 1970 d 40 without removing it

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How I did the 1970 Guild D 40 neck reset without removing the neck, the strings being almost 5/8" from the fretboard at the fourteenth fret.

The bottom of the fretboard had dived into the body, the neck had pulled away from the back of the guitar at the heel and had actually sunk the shoulders of the D 40 slightly from forty years of string pressure. Additionally, the neck was twisted about 3/8" down at the treble side nut.

I first took an 1-1/2" steel slightly flexible 'L' bracket, the kind found in hardware stores, and screwed it with the horizonal side up (with a coarse-thread drywall screw, through the soundhole with a very long driver bit) to the bottom of the neck block.

I then cut a pine block slightly smaller than the distance from the top of the 'L' bracket to the bottom of the ladder brace at the top of the soundhole. I cut a thin, gently tapered wood shim and drove it between the pine block which rested on the 'L' bracket, and the bottom of the brace. I tapped the shim a little further each week for about six weeks until the bottom of the fret board was just about even with the rest of the fretboard. The bracket, pine block and shim will, of course, remain in place. The strings were still a bit high, and any truss rod effect was maxed. The original bone saddle was as deep as it could go, so I belt-sanded off an eighth-inch of thickness from the forward part of that big, thick Guild bridge and reinstalled the saddle, the bottom of which I had also sanded down an eighth. I had to re-taper the bridge pin holes, but when everything went back together, the strings were just about right. The twist in the neck, which is down about 3/8 on the treble side from the nut, well, it just takes a slight wrist position change on lower barre chords. The guitar is now quite playable and the strings are about 1/8" at the fourteenth fret . Surprisingly, the tone was not affected by all this meddling. Hope this helps.
 

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Wow, that's very unorthodox!
I hope that it continues to work for you.

Be sure to keep the guitar humidified,
TMG.
 

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I'm sorry, but I just don't feel that any guitar repair which doesn't involve a pipe wrench can last very long. Or, at the very least, lag bolts and epoxy putty. I'm afraid this experiment is doomed, if not unauthorized.
 

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charliea said:
I'm sorry, but I just don't feel that any guitar repair which doesn't involve a pipe wrench can last very long. Or, at the very least, lag bolts and epoxy putty. I'm afraid this experiment is doomed, if not unauthorized.
You forgot about duck tape.
 

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Man, if that neck twists anymore you'll have to sell her to a double jointed guy. You might consider a pair of "U" bolts, about 2" should do, one at the heel, the other at the nut with a piece of 1/4" flat bar about 3"wide under the strings. You can then place the flat bar (cut the length of the fretboard) under the strings with holes drilled in the flatbar to accomodate the "U" bolts at either side of the neck. It may be a pain to play with the decreased string height for a while, but with 5/8" string height, it sounds as if you certainly have the room, tie wire should work nicely as temporary frets as it is wrapped around the neck and flat bar spaced at your desired width..... eventually, she should start to untwist.

Just joshin' ya wontox. You're technique sounds a bit unusual, but hey, with a $60 guitar, who cares? Welcome to the site and thanks for being a good sport.

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Don't let those guys harass you. 8)

I have a 73 Mossman guitar that had the very same problem with the fretboard pushing down the soundhole. Many older Mossmans have/had the same issue. The reason was the neck block would fail due to a manufacturing defect. I admire you cause I didn't have the guts to try to fix it. I sent the guitar to a fellow that used to work for Mossman and now has his own repair business. You'll never guess how he fixed it. Similar to you he jacked the neck block back into position, reglued everything in its' correct position and put mahogany shims between the neck block and the top until it was level again. Except for the noticeable thickness at the top of the soundhole the guitar plays like new and sounds great. I hope this story is an inspiration for you. After all us Guild hackers have to stick together!!!!!!
 

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Regarding the Mossman fix to the neck of your guitar , yes, that was my thought, that the neck block didn't do it's job over time, whether it was just too short or improperly glued I couldn't say. I couldn't imagine trying to remove the neck and shimming underneath...that would be excrutiating with all these issues. The neck on mine is now not in the place it was where it left the factory, but the strings are right in relation to the fretboard, even taking into account the twist. Others have played the Guild in it's new incarnation and not noticed the twist. 3/8" ain't really that much over 25-1/2". I did completely refinish the guitar as well. Still working on getting my wife to take photos.

I heartily agree about u-bolts and duct tape....someday I'd like to take a Martin knock-off junker, stencil the Martin logo on it, apply the duct tape and u-bolts, along with a stove bolt Frankenstein-style right through the body, and send in fuzzy pics to some stuffy high-end acoustic site along with a proud article on how I fixed the '34 Martin that had a slight neck problem.

1970 Guild D 40
1967 Vox Country Western (and a 12er)
1984 Epi Sheraton
Blueridge BR 70
modern Recording King snj 26



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wontox said:
I heartily agree about u-bolts and duct tape....someday I'd like to take a Martin knock-off junker, stencil the Martin logo on it, apply the duct tape and u-bolts, along with a carriage bolt right through the body, and send in fuzzy pics to some stuffy high-end acoustic site along with a proud article on how I fixed the '34 Martin that had a slight neck problem.
Wontox
:lol: :lol: :lol: Don't forget to price it right! I was tying to find an old thread featuring a picture of a pre-war Martin (or Gibson), beat-to-h--l, needed a new top AND back (it literally had a hatch built into it) and the guy wanted something like $6000.00! BTW, if anybody remembers it and can post the link to the thread, that pic was worth a thousand laughs!
 

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mario1956 said:
Don't let those guys harass you. 8)

I have a 73 Mossman guitar that had the very same problem with the fretboard pushing down the soundhole. Many older Mossmans have/had the same issue. The reason was the neck block would fail due to a manufacturing defect. I admire you cause I didn't have the guts to try to fix it. I sent the guitar to a fellow that used to work for Mossman and now has his own repair business. You'll never guess how he fixed it. Similar to you he jacked the neck block back into position, reglued everything in its' correct position and put mahogany shims between the neck block and the top until it was level again. Except for the noticeable thickness at the top of the soundhole the guitar plays like new and sounds great. I hope this story is an inspiration for you. After all us Guild hackers have to stick together!!!!!!

:) Mossman guitars are built right down the road from me in Sulphur Springs......dairy capital of Texas. Several of the bluegrassers around here play 'em.......fine guitars.

West
 
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