Guitar Trivia Game Grand Funk Railroad 1974

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Standardization


Word began to get around the rock world and before long Veleno began getting more and more calls from famous rock guitarists. The problem was that most of them wanted custom jobs, and would always say, "Now, here's what I want you to do with it," John recalls. Unfortunately, Veleno Guitars was just a two-man operation by this time and the design depended on making "cut and dry," standardized guitars, so Veleno could not accommodate all the custom requests. The callers would become insistent, and would invariably use the line to Veleno, "Do you know who I am?" Of course, the joke was that John mostly didn't know who they were!


Sometimes players had reservations about Veleno for curious reasons. Johnny Winter, interviewed in the July 1974 Guitar Player talked about his current gear: "I've also got a really strange, all-metal guitar made by John Veleno. It's got the thinnest neck in the world. Since it's solid metal, you don't have to worry about it warping. But I'm not quite used to it. The neck's a little too thin. The worst part about it is that the neck is silver, and it's got little black dots on it, and when the spotlight is shining on the neck I really can't see the dots, so I haven't been using it on stage. But he makes pretty nice guitars. If I played it, and got used to it, I think it'd be a real nice guitar to play."

The players


Who else played Velenos? During the '70s some significant artists were seen playing Veleno aluminum guitars. We know that Mark Bolan, Eric Clapton and others owned Velenos. Jorge Santana eventually bought one. Other well-known guitarists who played Velenos included Pete Haycock of the Climax Blues Band (a gold Veleno can be seen on the cover of their Gold Plated lp), Alvin Lee of Ten Years After, Ronnie Montrose, then of the Edgar Winter Group, Martin Barre of Jethro Tull, Ace Frehley of Kiss, Dave Peverett of Foghat, and Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad. One of the last appearances of a Veleno was on the album cover of Panorama by the Cars. Not all of these folks purchased their guitars directly from John.


Who did purchase new guitars from Veleno? Veleno did not keep detailed records of everyone who bought his guitars from him, but a partial list in his scrapbook reveals some interesting names. The list includes Eric Clapton (#2), Mark Bolan (#3), Mark Farner (#4), Lou Reed (#5), Gregg Allman (#6), Ray Manet of Rare Earth (#7), Dave Peverett (#8), Dan Fergusson (#9), Sonny Bono (#10), Pete Haycock (#11), Ronnie Montrose (#12), Jeff Lynne of ELO (#13), Miami-area guitarist Johnny Olafson (#14), Terry Blankenship of Damon (#18), John Stone of Chocolate and Vanilla (#19), Robert Bond of the Texas band Rise (#21) and Mark Klyce of Love Date (#58). Clearly the celebrity exposure early-on had its effect down the guitar pecking order later.


Reportedly, several guitars were made for Ronnie Montrose with thicker necks reminiscent of late '50s Gibsons. The normal Veleno neck is quite thin, reflecting necks like Kapa and Hagstrom in the '60s and anticipating tastes of the late '80s.


Veleno recalls that shortly after Jeff Lynne bought his Veleno guitar Electric Light Orchestra appeared on a New Years Day celebration television program during which ELO performed on the Thames river in London. There, shining brightly, was the Veleno Original for the world to admire.
 

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B.B. and the Traveler


In addition to the Original, Veleno also offered a down-sized Traveler guitar, which was only 271/4" long, 81/2" wide, with 24 frets, tuned to a "G" tuning, a third above a normal tuning. In essence, this was a one-pickup terz guitar.


Actually, the idea for this guitar came from none other than B.B. King! One night B.B. was performing in the area and John went backstage to meet him after the show. The line was a mile long, but B.B. told his people to let them all in. He'd just say "Hi" to each one. John was in the middle of the line, and when he finally got up to King and identified himself, King asked him if he could do a favor. King asked him to go to the back of the line again so they could talk more. "It won't take long, I'm just going to say 'Hi' to these folks and sign some autographs."


Well, at around 3:30 in the morning -Veleno wryly remarks that musician's don't go to jobs like everyone else, they work all night and sleep all day - Veleno came up again. King was sitting in a chair. He stuck out his hands and said he wanted a guitar about this long. Veleno pulled out something he had with him and measured it. King explained. He did a lot of travelling, including on planes. When he travelled, he was always getting his best ideas for songs or for guitar licks, but he couldn't do anything about it. He couldn't whip out a guitar while sitting on a plane. But, if he had a small one, he could just take it out and work out his ideas. "I'd call it my Travelling Companion," King concluded.


Veleno went home and developed the Traveler, named in honor of B.B. King. The first one was supposed to be for King, but Veleno had forgotten to get an address or telephone number, and he didn't know how to get in touch with King. So, B.B. never got his Travelling Companion. Nevertheless, B.B. did come up with the idea for that guitar. Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad helped John develop the final Traveler guitar design, which was an unusual shape that looked something like a mask out of a Buck Rogers episode. The edges were horizontal with deep extended cutaway horns, a three-segment rounded lower bout. The Traveler had a small squared-off three-and-three head, a 24-fret fingerboard (no markers), a single middle pickup, combined compensated bridge/tailpiece like on early Gibsons, a volume on the lower wing, tone back near the bridge, and a tone toggle on the upper horn.


Very, very few of these were ever produced. John recalls setting up around 10 to 12 Travelers for production, however, he made only one or two himself. One was sold to Mark Farner. The remainder of the leftover parts were given to John's son Chris, who assembled some more. The total tally should be no more than a dozen at most.
 

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The bass


Rarest of the rare of Veleno's creations was one electric bass guitar which he built. He can't recall who ordered it, but it was part of a guitar and bass set. The fellow who bought them said in his will he was going to leave the guitar to the Smithsonian Institute museum because the Veleno guitar was an "All-American original." He got that right.


Ankh


The final two Veleno guitars were made for Todd Rundgren in 1977, the last Velenos made by John himself. These were duplicate, atypical "custom-made" guitars shaped like an "ankh," the ancient Egyptian mystical symbol, or as Veleno put it, an "ox." These had hollow round-rimmed bodies with a straight cross or bar perpendicular to the neck. These had a bridge humbucker and a single-coil pickup mounted on the cross bar, with three controls for volume and tone. Rundgren kept two while performing just in case one had a problem.


These guitars, one of which Rundgren can be seen playing on the cover of the October 1977 Guitar Player, were actually designed by Rundgren himself. Veleno recalls getting a call from Rundgren, who had come up with this exotic guitar shape and had contacted several major guitar companies about making it for him, but they declined. The days of Custom Shops had not yet arrived. So he called John. John said to send him the drawings, which Todd did. John said he could make the guitars and he did.


Veleno recalls Rundgren's reaction upon receiving the axes: "They look just like my drawings!" Rundgren explained he was surprised because most makers changed things around rather than following exactly what he had in mind. The Veleno ankhs were just as Todd had conceived them.

Veleno's "cut and dry" aluminum guitars were built from approximately 1970 to 1976 or possibly 1977, except for the Rundgren special-orders. It was at about this time that John experienced some health problems and decided he didn't want to hear anything more about guitars. "In fact," says Veleno with a chuckle, "I didn't even want to talk about guitars for about five years after I quit making them."

Rare birds


If you have a Veleno guitar, you have something especially rare. Accounts vary, but the outside estimate is that only about 185 total were ever produced by John. It's possible that the number of John Veleno Veleno originals is some 40 guitars less at around 145. There were around one or two Travelers, one bass and the two ankhs for Rundgren. All were numbered consecutively, so you know where you fall more or less in that chronology. If yours says #5, it's the fifth one built. When John decided to leave the guitar biz, he turned over enough parts to make maybe 10 or 12 Originals and another 10 or so Travelers to his son Chris, who had helped him build the guitars. Chris did in fact assemble and sell some of these guitars after his father stopped, so there are another 20 or so Velenos which were finished by Chris. An exact tally is not possible, but whatever the total, these are extremely rare birds.
 

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Many people tried copying Veleno guitars, but none were successful. John recalls with amusement getting a call from a guitarmaker in Japan (he doesn't remember who it was), who said he had a Veleno guitar disassembled in front of him and his engineers gathered around. He wanted to know how Veleno could make this guitar for under $1,000. The caller requested a visit Veleno's factory to see how production went. Veleno relates with glee his answer: "Well, I rent a garage with a drill press by the day and I assemble the guitars in my living room while watching TV. I have no employees, no overhead, no engineers. That's my production method and that's why I can make them for under $1,000."


Denouement



One final mystery remains, though. In early 1978 a couple of small space ads for Veleno guitars were placed in Guitar Player magazine, almost a year after John ceased making guitars. John is at a loss to explain these, except he does recall that a good friend asked for permission to try his hand at building Veleno aluminum guitars, and John said it was ok with him, believing that his friend could never pull it off. His friend did not, in fact, ever build any Velenos, but it's possible he did have high hopes and placed the ads. In any case, if you encounter one of these late ads, don't let that confuse the chronology presented here.


And that's the Veleno story. John had thought about developing a new guitar. He wanted to develop a carbon graphite neck, which would be lighter and solve the problem of the heavy aluminum neck, which threw the guitars slightly off balance. "That would have been my guitar forever," muses Veleno. However, it was not to be.


John had no regrets about leaving the guitar business and had no plans to return to it. When I spoke with Mr. Veleno, he really hadn't played guitar for about 20 years. "I either go all the way or I don't," he said.


Well, Veleno certainly did go all the way on his exotic carved aluminum guitars. Even though fewer than 200 were ever made, they were played by some of the biggest names in '70s guitardom, and stand among the most interesting guitars of their often maligned decade. In fact, in 1996 Lonesome Dave Peverett's #8 was ensconced in the Hard Rock Cafe in Orlando, Florida, so Veleno figured his guitars had finally arrived. Indeed. If you're lucky enough to have a Veleno, be sure to keep it well polished."
 

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Nice article and interesting history on the guitar. Had never heard of them. I've learned something for today, so I won't have to learn anything else until tomorrow. ;)
 

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Thank you. Interesting read. I had a aluminum neck guitar in the 80s. Forget the (famous) brand name! It was different!
 

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Or a Travis Bean.

I would imagine that a Veleeno would have the same issues as the old Rickenbacher metal 'frying pan' steels. Going out of tune as they warmed up from your hands and stage lighting.
 

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Yes, I think Travis Bean was the 1st one to make an aluminum neck, followed by Kramer.

The Frying Pan was susceptible to temp changes but supposedly has a "magical" tone quality that makes it worth it.
 

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If I had $25K to spend, that wouldn't be my first choice, but it is definitely cool!

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