Guild F47NT on c-list

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Hey dog, it looks like it has alot of mojo. I'd see if they will budge on the price, cause thats just what we do
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Agree on the Mojo. That Guild would be a steal at 350.00 to 375.00. F47s have wonderfully comfortable necks... Go get 'er Dawg...
 

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6L6 said:
If it doesn't need a neck reset and/or new frets, looks like a winner to me!
All right, how would a fellow know if a guitar needed a neck reset or refret? Not that I'm going to look, just curious. Boy, there's always someone out there saying, "Go git it, dawg!" whenever these things things come up. :roll: With friends like these, well, it's a miracle I'm still solvent . . . oh, wait a minute, look at that balance in the GAS account. Big fat 0. Oh, and a puddle of red ink.

Bad jokes aside, how would one evaluate the need for a neck reset?
 

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My basic understanding is that if you put a straightedge on the neck & fingerboard extension, & it hits the bridge below the saddle, then the neck joint needs to be reset at a different angle (to get playable action back once again).
 

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Geoguy's advice is correct, the only thing to remember is that the straight edge should be on the frets only, not on the nut, as that can lead to a false indication.

As for frets, first indication is can you see marks/divots on the frets themselves. If not, then you are pretty much home free (after you play the guitar). If you can, run a fingernail over them, if the fingernail catches, then at the very least, a fret dress is in order. or a re-fret possibly. After all of that, play the guitar as you would any other guitar, being careful to note any fret buzzes. If the fret buzzes are only in one or two fret positions, it indicates that there may be one or more frets are high or low. If you cannot get the guitar to play cleanly in the first 5 or so fret positions, look at the frets from the side of the neck; if they appear low, then they are, and the guitar will probably need to be re-fretted. It is possible that the frets all the way down the fingerboard can be low, but most people play a lot of chords in the first 5 positions, so the fret wear is highest there (and usually in the area where the B and High E meet the fret. If it is only one or two fret positions, you can use a short straight ed that spans 3 fret positions to figure out which fret is high or low, and then correct that.

A re-fret can be partial or full, the partial re-fret generally covering only the first 5-6 frets, a full re-fret replacing all of the frets. In either case, it is usually followed by a fret leveling (makes all the frets level), re-crowning frets (makes the tops of the frets rounded), beveling the fret ends (to make them smooth so that you can run up and down the fingerboard without shredding your fingers), and then a fret polish (smooths off the surface of the frets to make fretting, and especially bending, feel nicer).

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dogberry said:
Bad jokes aside, how would one evaluate the need for a neck reset?
If a pretty girl walks by and you can't keep watchin' her without turning your whole body around, you need a neck reset.
Seriously though, a straight edge aligned on the tops of the frets should touch the top of the saddle. The saddle should still be high enough to give the ideal action spec of 5.5-6/64" at the 12th fret on bass E string and 4.5-5/64ths on the treble E. If the saddle and or bridge have been shaved that's usually a sign that the neck is already needing a reset. Or you can't get a low enough action after the truss has been adjusted. Sometimes you can just flat out see the warp in top due to the fret board pressing in on it.
I know, sometimes people are sorry they asked. Then sometimes they're sorry I answered. :oops: :? :lol:
 

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Well, it's been sold - whew! Temptation removed :x
Thanks for all the info on resets -- hope never to need on, but I'm at least a little less ignorant!

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adorshki said:
dogberry said:
Bad jokes aside, how would one evaluate the need for a neck reset?
If a pretty girl walks by and you can't keep watchin' her without turning your whole body around, you need a neck reset.
Seriously though, a straight edge aligned on the tops of the frets should touch the top of the saddle. The saddle should still be high enough to give the ideal action spec of 5.5-6/64" at the 12th fret on bass E string and 4.5-5/64ths on the treble E. If the saddle and or bridge have been shaved that's usually a sign that the neck is already needing a reset. Or you can't get a low enough action after the truss has been adjusted. Sometimes you can just flat out see the warp in top due to the fret board pressing in on it.
I know, sometimes people are sorry they asked. Then sometimes they're sorry I answered. :oops: :? :lol:

No, it should be touching, or just above the wooden top of the bridge in front of the saddle, not on the saddle itself. If the bottom edge of the straight edge is touching the top of the bridge, the neck angle is fine. Ii the straight edge is hitting the front of the bridge, or you need to lift the straight edge to get it ot the top of the bridge, the guitar will need a neck reset. There are of course degrees of this, is it touching the top of the soundboard (immediate neck reset, and unstring the guitar NOW), is it half way down the front of the bridge (neck reset would be advised, soon), or just barely below the top of the bridge (should be OK, but measure often, and as soon as the straight edge is halfway down the front of the bridge, time for a neck reset).

The saddle is adjusted to give a comfortable playing action mostly. Adjusting the saddle should not impact whether you need to do a neck reset, and if you measure to the top of the saddle, you will get a variation on whether you need to do a neck reset everytime you decided that you wanted a higher or lower saddle. You will probably also have a seriously overset neck, which will bring other problems as well.

Reference: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musicia ... angle.html

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kostask said:
No, it should be touching, or just above the wooden top of the bridge in front of the saddle, not on the saddle itself. If the bottom edge of the straight edge is touching the top of the bridge, the neck angle is fine. The saddle is adjusted to give a comfortable playing action mostly. Kostas
I stand humbly corrected. :oops: It's what I get for posting before coffee. In fact I jumped so quick I didn't realize the question had already been answered and I could have avoided possibly confusing anybody. So thanks for making sure the correct info is posted.
I put in that bit about saddle being shaved because we see it so often even if the bridge hasn't been yet.
For the record, I can still watch a pretty girl go by for about 120 degrees of arc before moving my body....
 
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