First Guild Acoustic - 1984 D25 SB

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Hello Everyone,

I just got my first Guild acoustic last week, a 1984 D25 SB thanks to the advice that I found on this forum while doing some research. After years of primarily messing with the electric guitar I decided to focus on acoustic. I decided that I'm not joining a band and what I really want to do with guitar is have a decent number of songs down that I can play and sing with others around the campfire.

I have a Seagull S6 acoustic that I love. It has great mids and highs and wonderful tone but is a little light on bass. It's really more of a fingerpicking guitar. I wanted that classic cedar top guitar sound. I thought I wanted a solid cedar top with solid rosewood back and sides. This led me to the Guild GAD-50, Yamaha LL16, and Blueridge BR-160. Only the GAD-50 was available to try at a local shop. In researching the GAD-50 I found this forum and the recommendation to others to try the D25. I found a just listed D25 on CL in Omaha which is about three hours away. Last Saturday I drove up and bought it for $500. Not a steal but less than I was going to spend. It's in used but never abused condition.

The previous owner was a bluegrass picker who had it setup with high action and medium strings. I took it to my tech who set it up with light strings and lowered the action for me. Now it plays fantastic and sounds magical.

I'm getting used to the narrower string spacing and neck on the D25. I'm also getting used to the way this likes to be strummed and picked vs my Seagull to bring out the guitar's voice. I love it so far.

My tech was able to get the action to the height he likes to setup acoustics which is 6/64 at 12 on the low E and 4/64 on the high E. This gives a nice playable action while avoiding buzz on hard strumming as well as giving a full tone. He did say this is it though. He cannot go any lower on the saddle without losing the break angle. If it needs further adjustment a neck reset will be needed. He said it could be fine for years. The neck reset in the future is not a big deal to me though since even with a neck reset and a new bridge and saddle I'll still have only about $100 more than a GAD-50 invested and the D25 will be good to go for another 26 years. Probably longer since I play light strings.

For strings I went with the DR Rare phosphor bronze lights. I thing I'll be sticking with these. They give a solid bass along with nice mids and highs. Overall just the sound I was hoping to get out of the D25.

Thanks for the great info on this forum. It lead to me getting a fantastic guitar that was not even on my radar. I'll get some pics up soon.
 

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Congrats Wuchak!
Reminds me of my excitement after getting my first Guild guitar (The D25 of course...)
Look what happened to my sig in the following months...... :lol:
Enjoy!!
 
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Thanks Bluesypicky! Looks like you got the Guild bug bad. This is my first Guild acoustic but they are already in my electric stable. I have a 1963 Starfire III in red that was a gift from my Grandfather. It's probably the first electric guitar I ever saw and I still think it's the most beautiful one. Through my Reverend Goblin tube amp it sounds like angels singing. I also have a Dearmond M77-T in moon blue. I like that one but it's going on the auction block soon. Carved tops just don't do it for me. I like a flat top on my electrics. The proceeds of that sale are to fund the purchase of the D25. I just got the cart before the horse in this case.
 

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Welcome aboard! A D-25 is a great start! D
 

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Welcome aboard! We have something in common. I sold my Seagull S6 to buy my D25. And my D25 also has almost no saddle left meaning a neck reset in the future as well. It is worth it though. Even with an improper break angle causing reduced sustain, the tone is great and sounds better than any of the D-18s I have tried. Great bang for your buck.
 

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Welcome & congratulations on a fine guitar. :D I have a '82 D25 SB & it's been my only acoustic since I bought it. I've had some bridge lifting issues that required re-gluing. I switched to light-gauge strings and lately I've tuned down a half-step in an attempt to preclude/postpone a neck reset.

Humidification is another very important tool in maintaining the longevity of any acoustic.
 

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Wuchak said:
I took it to my tech who set it up with light strings and lowered the action for me. Now it plays fantastic and sounds magical.
My tech was able to get the action to the height he likes to setup acoustics which is 6/64 at 12 on the low E and 4/64 on the high E. This gives a nice playable action while avoiding buzz on hard strumming as well as giving a full tone. He did say this is it though. He cannot go any lower on the saddle without losing the break angle. If it needs further adjustment a neck reset will be needed. He said it could be fine for years. The neck reset in the future is not a big deal to me though since even with a neck reset and a new bridge and saddle I'll still have only about $100 more than a GAD-50 invested and the D25 will be good to go for another 26 years. Probably longer since I play light strings.
HI Wuchak, welcome! Your luthier set it to factory stock setup, personally I think that's exactly how they should be set up, and they came out of the factory with lights, so you've got it set up the ways it's s'posed to be! And you describe exactly what the benefits of the stock setup are. I suspect that if you don't already need a neck reset you probably won't for a LONG time if ever, especially having gone back to lights on strings.
 

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Awesome choice, congratulations!!!

If I ever get another D25, I could only hope it's a mid-80's sunburst model. Those are the holy grail D25 in my mind... though I know the ones from the 70's don't exactly suck either.

Enjoy yours, and please post pics whenever you have the time.
 
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adorshki said:
HI Wuchak, welcome! Your luthier set it to factory stock setup, personally I think that's exactly how they should be set up, and they came out of the factory with lights, so you've got it set up the ways it's s'posed to be! And you describe exactly what the benefits of the stock setup are. I suspect that if you don't already need a neck reset you probably won't for a LONG time if ever, especially having gone back to lights on strings.

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. Thanks adorshki. I hope you're right on the neck reset. I hope with proper humidification and light strings it just stays right where it is.
 

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Wuchak said:
adorshki said:
HI Wuchak, welcome! Your luthier set it to factory stock setup, personally I think that's exactly how they should be set up, and they came out of the factory with lights, so you've got it set up the ways it's s'posed to be! And you describe exactly what the benefits of the stock setup are. I suspect that if you don't already need a neck reset you probably won't for a LONG time if ever, especially having gone back to lights on strings.
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. Thanks adorshki. I hope you're right on the neck reset. I hope with proper humidification and light strings it just stays right where it is.
There's a school of thought that thinks a neck reset is inevitable for any guitar. But there's at least a few guys here who have guitars over 30 years old that haven't needed 'em yet and don't think they ever will. Construction has something to do with it, and techniques did change with various eras in Guild History, but I think the lower tension of light strings CAN'T hurt.
My D25 is 14 years old now and I just got the second refret job at about 1300 hours. Re-used the bone saddle that was installed at the first refret. It only needed to be sanded a few thousandths to clean it up. In other words neck angle was just fine, and it's ALWAYS been strung with lights. 2 other precautionary measures I take: If it's not in my lap it goes right back in the case, it never leans on anything with the headstock as a support. Also I never hold it by the top of the neck, I always grab hold of it at the heel, to prevent the weight of the body from putting stress on the neck joint. Don't know if it actually does any good, but it can't hurt, right? :D
 
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