Belated NGD - FS46-12CE

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Although I acquired this one almost a year ago, I have had to address a few issues, which were only recently resolved.

First, thanks to Glenn @wileypickett for actually acquiring this for me from a local pawn shop, even negotiating a better price for me.

When I first received the guitar, I soon realized that one of the tuners was stripped, making it impossible to tune that string. But the guitar itself was in decent condition, and the original electronics worked perfectly (more on that later). The guitar is very well built, feels solid, and is a lot of fun to play.

But the original, stock electronics (a Barcus-Berry system) sounded very thin and tinny. I decided to upgrade the electronics. No easy task, since this is a solid body guitar (the sound hole is fake). Also, I wanted to retain the use of the volume and tone knobs, and not physically modify the guitar, other than the electronics upgrade.

Our own Dave @hearth_man owns several of these “Crossroads” guitars (not to be confused with the double-neck and acoustic-electric Crossroads guitars from the 1990s), and has acquired a lot of knowledge about these systems, and has even modified them. Thanks to him for providing invaluable information and advice during this process.

The first luthier I took it to replaced the tuner, but convinced me not to upgrade the electronics ("if it ain't broke, don't fix it"). But he did fabricate a replacement cover with a barn door, to facilitate battery replacement (2 AAs), which was very cool. No need to unscrew and remove the original cover for this purpose.

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But I was still unsatisfied with the sound and took the guitar to 3 other guys, 2 of whom would not touch it. Ultimately, Paul of Division Street Guitars in Peekskill took on the project and did a great job. He installed an LR Baggs Element system with new volume and tone pots, which the original knobs perfectly attach to.

The LR Baggs system takes a 9 volt battery, so I am stuck with the original cover, although I may seek to have a new barn door installed for the 9 volt in the future.

For whatever reason, the volume pot is a push-pull, but it works great. I just have to remember to unplug and disengage when I am not using the guitar to avoid draining the battery.

Overall, I am very pleased with the outcome. If I am being honest, the sound is a bit muddy, but it is far superior to the original, stock system, and it is really fun to play.

Although maybe not the 12 string equivalent of my Peregrine, it is a fun 12 string stage guitar. And it will hold me over until my Rick Turner Renaissance 12 is completed.

Anyway, here are some pix

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Fantastic -- congrats Andrew! I had high hopes for this one!

I have its cousin, an F45-12 CE, which is acoustic / electric -- or was till I pulled the electronics out of it. A surprisingly good sounding 12-string.

Both models seem pretty rare. (Anyone know how rare?) My serial number shows it was only the 15th built; Andrew's is the 3rd, if I'm reading the headstock serial number right.
 
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Both models seem pretty rare. (Anyone know how rare?) My serial number shows it was only the 15th built; Andrew's is the 3rd, if I'm reading the headstock serial number right.
According to the online serial number chart, there were 157 F45-12CEs, and only 5 FS46-12CEs. But the chart must be wrong with respect to the FS46-12CEs, because the model does come up once in a while, and a few LTG members own one.

I don’t give much credit to Gruhn’s book when it comes to Guild guitars, but I recall that it was the only other source that had serial number information relating this model, and the number was 35-40, if I recall correctly.
 
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Lots of tuners, lots of strings, lots of writing on the TRC. :) Congrats on the unique 12er and kudos to Glenn and Dave for the assists!!
 

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According to the online serial number chart, there were 157 F45-CEs, and only 5 FS46-12CEs.

157 F45-12CEs (12 -string) or F45-CEs (six string)? I know there are a fair number of the six-string version -- I have one of those too.
 

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157 F45-12CEs (12 -string) or F45-CEs (six string)? I know there are a fair number of the six-string version -- I have one of those too.
12 string. Over 800 of the 6 string version appear on the chart.
 

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Mine came from the factory custom for an artist whose name I don't remember...doesn't matter...he didn't want it any more...mine.

Came with what appears to be a modified 9 volt FIshman AGP2 system with a UST and a Mag PUP...and a wide compensated rosewood saddle like the jazz boxes had but set in a rosewood bridge like a normal saddle...which had to be replaced as the UST/Saddle wasn't level...I recall someone from Westerly saying it was a problem with the jigs when the slots were cut...apparently broke during removal...stuff happens sometimes...and went with a compensated bone saddle.

Yes, the electronics are outdated...almost 40 years old! One or the other system can be used within their limits. No way to balance out the two systems...ye olde impedance requirements don't match...unless you're Brian S. who designed Fender's new system which according to Brian uses a CPU and Ohms Law...and whatever else...to accomplish it.

Electric strings work best...PUP needs it...UST doesn't care which you use.
 
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