A question for the "vintage" experts

[dapmdave]

Just picked up a '58 M-65. I'll post an official LTG NGD tomorrow when I can get good light, but I have a burning question tonight regarding the knobs.

Here they are:

In Hans' book, page 35, these knobs are described as having been used on the M-65 3/4 exclusively between 1959 and 1961. The serial number on my M-65 (full scale) is 6601, which seems to date it squarely to 1958...

Searching the world wide interweb, however, reveals several '58 M-65's that have these little metal knobs.

So, are they correct or not?

Dave

 

[matsickma]

I can tell you that a while back I had a full size M-65 with knobs like yours and a single Frantz pickup. The guitar was pretty worn and unfortunatly I never tracked its date down or recorded its sn.

M

 

[hansmoust]

In Hans' book, page 35, these knobs are described as having been used on the M-65 3/4 exclusively between 1959 and 1961. The serial number on my M-65 (full scale) is 6601, which seems to date it squarely to 1958...

Searching the world wide interweb, however, reveals several '58 M-65's that have these little metal knobs.

So, are they correct or not?

Dave

Hello Dave,

When I was doing the research for the Guild book, which was more than 15 years ago, I had only seen the small metal knobs on late '50s 3/4 scale M-65s in combination with the metal DeArmond pickup with the chrome cover and that's how that info ended up in the book.
Since then I've seen a whole lot more instruments from that particular period and it turns out that some of the regular scale M-65 had those metal knobs as well. Right now I have at least a dozen M-65s in my database with those same knobs. I should add that the end of the '50s was kind of a 'messy' period when it comes down to 'knob specifications'. So far I've documented 5 different knob styles on the lower line instruments, which gives me the impression that Guild pretty much used what they thought they could get away with.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[zizala]

Congrats on the M-65!

I'm a bit over the top for this model....there's no doubt.
.... and also have observed multiple knob types on these and other Guilds of the late 50's.

I have two '58's, an early '59 and a '61.......the '58's have metal knobs like yours and the '59 has "stove" knobs.
The '61 has the usual amber knobs with the silver disc and Guild shield logo......by this time that style was pretty much standard.

z

 

[SFIV1967]

Congratulations Dave! So you got her!
Ralf

 

[dapmdave]

In Hans' book, page 35, these knobs are described as having been used on the M-65 3/4 exclusively between 1959 and 1961. The serial number on my M-65 (full scale) is 6601, which seems to date it squarely to 1958...

Searching the world wide interweb, however, reveals several '58 M-65's that have these little metal knobs.

So, are they correct or not?

Dave

Hello Dave,

When I was doing the research for the Guild book, which was more than 15 years ago, I had only seen the small metal knobs on late '50s 3/4 scale M-65s in combination with the metal DeArmond pickup with the chrome cover and that's how that info ended up in the book.
Since then I've seen a whole lot more instruments from that particular period and it turns out that some of the regular scale M-65 had those metal knobs as well. Right now I have at least a dozen M-65s in my database with those same knobs. I should add that the end of the '50s was kind of a 'messy' period when it comes down to 'knob specifications'. So far I've documented 5 different knob styles on the lower line instruments, which gives me the impression that Guild pretty much used what they thought they could get away with.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Thank you, Hans. I suspected that this was the case. As far as I can tell, only the tuners and the case have been replaced.

This is a pretty cool little guitar. And now I have a Guild from every decade (except the current one), which has been a goal of my little collection.

Dave

 

[taabru45]

Nice catch Dave Steffan

 

[guildman63]

Hey Dave, if you need a guitar from the 2000's I have a very nice X-170T for sale that you will love. It is a 2000 model, and it is in fantastic shape! See my post in FS/FT.

David

 

[dapmdave]

Thanks, but I was specifically looking for something out of the 50s.

Dave

 

[bluesypicky]

Congrats Dave on a great catch!
How does she sound on this blackface of yours?

 

[dapmdave]

Congrats Dave on a great catch!
How does she sound on this blackface of yours?

Sounds good. Very strong output from the pickup.

Dave