1963 T 100D

[Docsimon3]

I haven't posted before, so if this is not the right place to post this, I apologize and please let me know where would be more appropriate. I have a '63 T 100 D in great playing shape I'm getting ready to sell. The pups are transitional, with Franz hardware, covers, but Todd coil. One pup was dead. I was disappointed that they were not the Franz bobbins. The working pup did not sound at all like the original Franz. It was microphonic and squealed. The Todd coil is very unusual. I've never seen a design like it. No real bobbin and completely encased in epoxy. Since one pup was dead , I had them both rewound by Lindy Fralin. He wound them like the original Franz, 1000 turns less than a P-90. He also wound them opposite directions so they are hum cancelling when both are on. It now sounds and plays great, and is very nice cosmetically for its age. I still have the original working Todd coil. My question is 1. would it be better to have the original put back together; and 2. What do folks think is a reasonable price to ask ?

 

[fronobulax]

You are to be commended for having the discussion here and not after you have posted it for sale.

I think a guitar worth two working pickups is more valuable then one with an original not working. I would sell it as is and include the spare/replaced parts for someone who values originality over function.

Reverb sold listings casually perused, suggest $1,500 to $3,000.

 

[Docsimon3]

Thank you. That would make it easier for me!

 

[sailingshoes72]

I agree with frono. Working pickups will definitely sell better. And Lindy Fralin wound pups are an added bonus!

 

[walrus]

+1 for working pickups, especially Fralins! Good luck!

walrus

 

[Docsimon3]

Thanks for the help y'all.

 

[Docsimon3]

You are to be commended for having the discussion here and not after you have posted it for sale.

I think a guitar worth two working pickups is more valuable then one with an original not working. I would sell it as is and include the spare/replaced parts for someone who values originality over function.

Reverb sold listings casually perused, suggest $1,500 to $3,000.

Yeah, it's a wide range.

 

[jp]

I definitely think buyers regard more value with professionally renovated Franz pickups than a less desirable, non-working original. Prices with vintage Guilds can be fickle.

Outside of the pickups, consider that:

-- The Guildsby is most likely a later addition. Although not original, people like'em, especially since it appears to be a true vintage B2. Do you have the original harp tailpiece?
-- The bridge is not original. From the photos, it appears to be a Bigsby bridge on a wooden bridge base. Is this correct, and if so do you have the aluminum base to the Bigsby bridge to include in the sale? Does the vibrato function well as it's currently set up?
-- Yours appears to be in very clean condition and doesn't appear to have binding or headstock shrinkage. Are the tuners original? How is the break angle on the neck?
-- It will have more value with the original hard shell case. (I'm guessing black with the plum colored interior?)

If you've had positive answers to most of these questions, and you do have original parts and case to include in the sale, I think the value would be more like $1800-$2750.

 

[Docsimon3]

Thanks. I think my main question was answered with a consensus about the pickup. The guitar is far from original, so value is very hard to determine. I am going to put it on consignment at a store. I think there's a good chance someone will play it and love it, despite it's faults.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Thanks. I think my main question was answered with a consensus about the pickup. The guitar is far from original, so value is very hard to determine. I am going to put it on consignment at a store. I think there's a good chance someone will play it and love it, despite it's faults.

Hopefully the store has online shopping as well. You wouldn't want to limit yourself to just a regional market. Word has been out for quite some time about these very guitars being a "best bang for your buck" in the field of electric hollowbodies. Guild enthusiasts will of course desire originality/condition first and foremost, but for the countless folks just looking to fill an electric hollow body void in their guitar arsenal...and compare it w/ a Gibson ES in cost/quality/playability, can easily overlook a replacement pickup/bridge/etc, and gladly pay $1500-2000 for your guitar. Especially w/ a massive potential buyers pool like on EBay or Reverb.

 

[jp]

I think there's a good chance someone will play it and love it, despite it's faults.

Absolutely--I think what players will value the most, are the pickups, the Bigsby, and the vintage. And in addition to Midnight Toker's comments above, I do think you may get in that higher range because of that. Good luck!

 

[Docsimon3]

Actually, the Guildsby is recent. I have a harp tailpiece, but don't know if it's original. The guitar is definitely player, not collector, grade. Thanks.

 

[drsound]

I haven't posted before, so if this is not the right place to post this, I apologize and please let me know where would be more appropriate. I have a '63 T 100 D in great playing shape I'm getting ready to sell. The pups are transitional, with Franz hardware, covers, but Todd coil. One pup was dead. I was disappointed that they were not the Franz bobbins. The working pup did not sound at all like the original Franz. It was microphonic and squealed. The Todd coil is very unusual. I've never seen a design like it. No real bobbin and completely encased in epoxy. Since one pup was dead , I had them both rewound by Lindy Fralin. He wound them like the original Franz, 1000 turns less than a P-90. He also wound them opposite directions so they are hum cancelling when both are on. It now sounds and plays great, and is very nice cosmetically for its age. I still have the original working Todd coil. My question is 1. would it be better to have the original put back together; and 2. What do folks think is a reasonable price to ask ?

Have you sold it?

 

[Docsimon3]

Have you sold it?

No. It's not quite ready for sale. I'm hoping soon. Do you know the forum's policy on listing guitars for sale?

 

[walrus]

No. It's not quite ready for sale. I'm hoping soon. Do you know the forum's policy on listing guitars for sale?

https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?threads/read-me-fs-ft-rules-donation-link.202401/

walrus

 

[Docsimon3]

Thanks, very helpful. I have a question about Reverb, which I left as a reply at the thread you sent.

 

[drsound]

No. It's not quite ready for sale. I'm hoping soon. Do you know the forum's policy on listing guitars for sale?

No

 

[fronobulax]

No

As noted, the policy is at https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?forums/buy-sell-trade.138/

If @drsound and @Docsimon3 want to initiate a (private) conversation that leads to a sale then that is also fine.

A FS listing obviously gets more eyeballs which might result in a faster sale or a better price or the identification of features or history of the instrument. LTG does not provide any kind of buyer or seller protection for a public listing except possibly peer pressure.

 

[Docsimon3]

As noted, the policy is at https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?forums/buy-sell-trade.138/

If @drsound and @Docsimon3 want to initiate a (private) conversation that leads to a sale then that is also fine.

A FS listing obviously gets more eyeballs which might result in a faster sale or a better price or the identification of features or history of the instrument. LTG does not provide any kind of buyer or seller protection for a public listing except possibly peer pressure.

Thanks for the clarity.

 

[guitarlover]

That's a lovely guitar. Why do guitars like this not show up in Europe ;-)
I agree that a guitar with working pickups would be better than with a non working original.