NGD: F-47R

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While on the hunt for another maple body Guild acoustic, an F-47R fell into my lap instead. IMHO, the reintroduction of these models by Guild in 2007 was brilliant. My 2012 F-40 was a great guitar with the only drawback being that it did not have a 1 3/4” nut width. So, it was only natural that I should be drawn to the F-47 as well. This is the first Guild I’ve owned that was made in the Tacoma facility. Fit and finish is top notch and absolutely on par with the New Hartford F-40. The guitar is lightly built and is very lively.

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The F-47 was available in four flavors – rosewood (F-47R), rosewood with cutaway (F-47RC), maple (F-47M), and maple with cutaway (F-47MC). The Tacoma versions were available in natural, Antique Burst and Ice Tea Burst, the latter being dropped after the move to New Hartford.

Note that the Tacoma and New Hartford F-47s are not true reissues, but rather, they are a re-imagined model based on the mid to late 60’s F-47 Bluegrass. Too bad they didn’t keep the Bluegrass name, but really, I would choose a dreadnaught if I was going to play bluegrass. Here’s the description of the F-47 used in the Guild catalogs from 1963-67. Note the catalog guitar is the early version with moustache headstock.

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And here’s a pic of a 1966 F-47 – mahogany body, 3-piece mahogany neck. Beautiful!

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Here’s what is the same or similar to the original – general body shape and dimensions, 3-piece mahogany neck with bound rosewood fingerboard and block inlays, hump top headstock with Chesterfield inlay, 3+7+3 rosette. Here’s what is different – body wood, top wood, brace wood, scalloped bracing and (I’m guessing) bracing pattern, bridge shape, heel shape, non-through-saddle, body binding, and tuners.

Here’s a pic of the scalloped bracing in the Tacoma-made F-47R.

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Of the differences, one detail to note is that the Tacoma-made F-47 has a plain Chesterfield inlay while the New Hartford version has a Chesterfield with 3 lines, the latter being vintage correct. Here’s a pic of the Tacoma F-47 headstock next to a New Hartford F-47. Note the inlays are placed farther north on the Tacoma that, according to @davismanLV, cannot be unseen.

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And if you’re like me and also appreciate Martin guitars, here’s an interesting tidbit – the F-47 is very similar in dimensions to Martin’s small jumbo, the J-40. Here is a pic of @schoolie ‘s F-47 and J-40 along with some general specs for comparison.

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Okay, back to the F-47… the neck profile feels about the same as the F-40 – a full C-shape that’s comfortable and easy to play. The F-47’s neck feels nicer to me thanks to the bound fingerboard. And who doesn’t love block inlays? As on my NH F-212XL Standard, the rosewood on this Tacoma-made F-47 is a bit porous. It doesn’t affect playability, but it is what it is and it’s noticeable visually.

Here’s a comparison of the two.

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The nominal nut width is 1 11/16”, but it actually measures 1 23/32”. The neck is slightly chunkier than my other Guild flattops and I like it a lot!

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So, how does it sound? The short answer is it sounds like the mahogany F-40, but with the reverb turned up to 11. To elaborate, the F-40 is drier and woodier and, while there are plenty of overtones, the fundamental and midrange are pronounced. The F-47R, on the other hand, has slightly scooped mids and produces a truckload of overtones. Side note – the F-47R body is one-half inch deeper than the F-40 so there’s that, too.

Volume approaches, but does not equal dreadnaught strength. I would call the guitar’s tone quite warm when played normally and there is a lot of harmonics on tap. In fact, it produces all that richness as soon as the strings are touched. As such, when driven hard with a flat pick, the tone from the F-47R starts to get muddy.

For me, playing this guitar is like skiing down a double black diamond slope. It takes skill and finesse, which is not my strong suit. Nevertheless, I do my best to play it with a lighter touch. The guitar’s light build and responsiveness make it great for playing fingerstyle. Unfortunately, I’m not much of finger picker.

So far, I’ve tried two sets of strings on the F-47R - John Pearse PB 12s and D’Addario XT 12s. Both sound good, though I prefer the D’Addarios because they are just a bit brighter and work well with this lush sounding guitar.

My F-47R has the optional DTAR Wave-Length pickup system which sounds just okay. Unlike the D-TAR Multi-Source system as used on later models, the Wave-Length only has an undersaddle pickup with volume and tone controls. I found it to be quite boomy and difficult to EQ. The only good thing was that I didn’t hear any dreaded piezo quack tone. The D-TAR Multi-Source system is much better at producing a natural acoustic sound due, in part, to an internal microphone. Heck, even the older (obsolete?) Fishman Prefix Pro system in my DCE-3 produces a better amplified tone.
 

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The Wave-Length unit has the “Load ‘N Lock” feature where the batteries are installed through the end block. There is no need for a barn door or separate internal battery bag that would require removing the strings for battery changes. And yes, I removed the AA batteries after my sound testing to avoid any corrosion issues. I don’t plan on playing this guitar plugged in, so the batteries will remain out.

I think the big knurled battery cover is ugly and it’s also quite heavy. The electronics add nearly 1 lb (450 g) to the guitar’s weight! The reality is that the pickup system doesn’t matter because I will only play this guitar acoustically. If I really wanted good amplified sound, I’d swap for the D-Tar Multi-Source or LR Baggs Anthem system. But what I’d really want is an F-47R without any pickups or electronics.

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But wait, there’s more to hate about the “Load ‘N Lock” system. While taking photos of the bracing, here’s what I found - the dang preamp was pinned tightly against one of the tone bars!

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I took corrective action and now the preamp is free and clear of any top structures.

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You’re probably wondering if the guitar’s sound was affected by the preamp pressing on a tone bar. The answer is yes. After I re-situated the preamp, the guitar’s voice opened up a bit, mainly in the midrange. Neither the lower nor the high registers were affected one way or the other. The sustain of the guitar also improved after I moved the preamp, although there wasn’t an obvious change in volume. I give a big fat “harrumph” to whoever designed this system.

Overall, the F-47R is super nice and has a sophisticated sound. This Guild falls into the same category as my ’81 Martin D-35 and ’97 Santa Cruz 000 which are also lush sounding rosewood guitars. Ultimately, I released those back into the wild, but we’ll see what the future holds for this F-47R.
 

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Very nice, GG. One of Guild's best!

For the record, there's a lot of I guess I'd call it "sloppyness" in the build of my F-512 from Tacoma in 2006, but that guitar is and always has been my favorite. It's just magic. I hope this F-47R is just the ticket for you.
 

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That’s a gorgeous example GG. I can see why it was impossible to resist. They are the perfect size and shape IMHO. If they were 1-3/4 I would certainly own one. Enjoy!
 

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Congratulations, GG, and thanks for the comprehensive review (and pictures).
 

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Great review, GG! Hope you enjoy your F-47R. The rosewood back is really striking!
 

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Congratulations, that's a great guitar!

I have a New Hartford one without the factory electronics though I have a Sunrise pickup on it.

Mine is LOUD and big and huge sounding. It would hold its own next to a lot of dreads. The only time I've actually played it next to someone playing a dread was with my buddy who has a 1950's D28 and ten times the acoustic chops I have, so that wasn't a fair comparison.

I switch between Martin Monels and different brands 80/20 on mine - with pb's it's a little  too rich sounding for me - like there's a chorus pedal somewhere almost!😁

I would have preferred a 60's mahogany one, I thnk I'd be happier with a sweeter, less agressive guitar, but they're virtually non-existant in Europe..
 
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GG, congrats on your acquisition of the F-47R. Really beautiful example of the model with the luscious Rosewood. I'll bet it sounds well balanced with good volume. I think the Tacoma built Guilds are very nicely made. I only have a New Hartford F-20 to compare with my Tacoma build F=47MC but the workmanship inside and out are equal imho. attached is pics of my 2007 F-47MC that I got back in March and I have a set of Martin .0115 Marguis Silk and Steel on it right now and will try .0110 Retro strings next..
I hope you enjoy the F-47R! ;)
 

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That looks like a really nice score with some beautiful rosewood on the back! I love your reviews, they are always so detailed with lots of pictures.

I had a New Hartford F-47R for a bit and really liked it! It was very rich sounding, as Walter Broes commented, and maybe I should have tried some different strings on it also. But then a New Hartford F-47MC came along (in my avatar) with the D-TAR Multi-source pickup in a beautiful burst and I just had to have it! Acoustically not that much different in tone than the F-47R, but definitely less rich with more fundamental tones to it. Not quite as loud as the F-47R either, so I play it less with the local bluegrass group I play with, especially on nights we have 2 banjos and 2 mandolins (mandolins are LOUD!), but I especially love it plugged in. Since they were so close in tone and playability, I let the rosewood version go.

Earlier this year I got a Martin J-40 (Buddy Guy Signature) from a friend that passed and it satisfied my need for a rosewood guitar. Like you commented, it is very similar in size to the F-47R, but definitely a bit of a different tone...way different than a D-28, still loud, but a bit crisper with more treble bite, given that this one has an Adirondack spruce top, like both my F-47s.
 

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That lower bout depth of 4.75 inches is quite an advantage. My F30R has a 4 inch lower bout depth, which is the only complaint I have about my main acoustic. However, the short scale neck and ebony fretboard are a plus.

Congrats.
 

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GG, congrats on your acquisition of the F-47R. Really beautiful example of the model with the luscious Rosewood. I'll bet it sounds well balanced with good volume. I think the Tacoma built Guilds are very nicely made. I only have a New Hartford F-20 to compare with my Tacoma build F=47MC but the workmanship inside and out are equal imho. attached is pics of my 2007 F-47MC that I got back in March and I have a set of Martin .0115 Marguis Silk and Steel on it right now and will try .0110 Retro strings next..
I hope you enjoy the F-47R! ;)
That Iced Tea Burst is just something else.
 

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I have a working DTAR Duo-Source assembly that I took out of my 2012 F-47, if you want it GG. Probably better options available now though.
 

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I have a working DTAR Duo-Source assembly that I took out of my 2012 F-47, if you want it GG. Probably better options available now though.
Oh, man... That is the way I'd go! Schoolie, why did you remove the pickup?
 
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