Compliments to Hans and questions/comments on my firs electric Guild: 1972 Starfire

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Hey everyone on here! I want to start off by thanking you all for sharing your knowledge here. I'm more of a reader than a poster at LTG but what I read and when I post I always get very good information. Secondly, I want to say that ever sine I bought my first '78 D-40 I have never owned another acoustic other than a Guild. I have come to really appreciate the quality in their instruments, the character the instruments seem to have and wonder that I get from playing them. I have a few acoustics but never had a Guild electric. Last week I order Hans book Guilds part 1. It came Yesterday and I could NOT put the book down. I'm not a reader but that book was so detailed and informative I couldn't put it down. I almost consider Guild to be a somewhat mysterious company, never having a rhyme or reason for some things which really make their instruments unique. Examples: I have a 6 string jumbo with 2 trussrods and stamped "...-12" But the nut is 6 string width and everything else about shows it should be a 6 string. My '72 Bluegrass Jubilee D40 that has a 1 piece neck which in the book states it should clearly have a 3 piece neck. Because of this mystery that surrounds the Guild company, that book is almost the mystery novel accompanying it. I'm probably the last person in the midwest that would read a book for recreation and Hans, I read it almost all night! Great job!

After getting through the first part on hollowbody electrics I thought: Why don't I have a Guild electric? I love their acoustics so I should get an electric (it was only obvious). I walked over the music store that is down the street from my house this morning to drop off some food to the owner who is a close friend of mine and I KID YOU NOT WITH MY HAND ON THE BIBLE there was a beat Guild Starfire 5 sitting on the counter. I left to grab some cash from my mattress and walked home with what would soon be my FAVOURITE guitar. This Starfire was a players guitar. Guild Bigsby off, hardtail bridge put on, replaced pickups, replaced tuners (good old Schaller ones though). I'm a tinkerer and build electrics for friends/clients but I knew I had no intentions of restoring this bad boy. I knew I wanted to make this my new go-to, play every show guitar.

I threw an old Bigsby on it I had laying around and removed the hardtail bridge and when it came to the pups I figured I was gunna scratch them both and put in a set of humbucker p90s-I love p90s but wasn't going to hack up this beaut for them. I jammed on them a little and the neck was an old DiMarrzio pickup but the bridge actually sounded REALLY good. I cleaned it up and it is a HAMMER VELVET 54 pickup. I've never heard of these and I thought it was a Hamer pickup. I did a little research I'm under the impression ?this is a rare pickup? They were made by Red Rhodes and if wired correctly ?I can have a ton of different sounds with it?

Currently I coil tapped the HAMMER VELVET and it sounds great in single and then when it adds the second coil it pushes it over the top. Clean clear bite with bold mids; it is a rocking pickup. I removed the DiMarrzio and put in a GFS humbucker I had but will order a humbucker p90 to replace it.

To those of you who are purist I apologize that I might be coming at this differently but I wasn't the one who modded it in the first place and I want to make this my new go-to guitar so I'm going to mod it the way that's going to make me want to play it. I do have a few old guitars that I would never change a single thing to but this one came to me almost as an act from God and it was a player and it will continue to be a player. Besides, I only paid a few hundred for it and I don't want to be spending a ton on the original pups or tailpiece when I have ones I might prefer more.

Anyway my questions here are about the HAMMER VELVET pickup. I know it's not stock but an anyone share any information about these pickups? How can I wire this up to get the tones out of it people claim it to have? The info I stated above, was that right? I'll post some pictures of it before and after....once I learn how to post pictures.
 

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To those of you who are purist I apologize that I might be coming at this differently but I wasn't the one who modded it in the first place and I want to make this my new go-to guitar so I'm going to mod it the way that's going to make me want to play it.

Nice Guild electric! I'm in the same boat - I understand the purists, but hey, it's your guitar - make it how you want it to be!
 
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Hans' book is surely a great read and the best reference material about Guild anywhere. We've been very lucky to have him as a member here!

I am not a purist, especially when it comes to electronics. I think you're quest to make your new/old Starfire the best it can be (for you) is right on. As Fender used to say... made to be played. And so it is. Taking an old, already modified axe and making it right for you can't be heresy. Quite the opposite, I'd say. :)
 

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That Velvet Hammer pickup is very highly regarded! If you ebayed it, you could probably buy a couple of pickups of your choosing with the proceeds. I wouldn't. Just find a good pickup to go with it.
 

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Nice Guild electric! I'm in the same boat - I understand the purists, but hey, it's your guitar - make it how you want it to be!
I basically agree, although I'd lean towards only doing stuff that was reversible and saving the original pieces or finding replacements in case I ever did want to put it back to stock, or sell it that way.
Using one of my favorite analogies, cars, "stock" is generally more valuable when it comes to cars, although having the original engine or the parts that were swapped out normally increases the value of a non-original car.
That way you got the best of both worlds!
Great story by the way!
 

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Lets see if I can make them appear. Before:

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After:

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One thing that you might consider doing is getting some plugs with spring tabs and painting them the same color as the top in order to cover the stud holes left when you took out the tailpiece.

I had a black Sheraton to which I added a Bigsby. I was able to find some black plastic ones and put them on to cover them. Worked pretty well:

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You can see the plugs there. You should be able to find some domed metal ones that would press in and could be painted to match pretty danged close.

By the way, GREAT guitar!
 
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Nice Starfire! But you have the truss rod cover mounted upside down ! (The top should match the Guild headstock and not a Gibson or Taylor bell)

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Ralf
 

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Nice Starfire! But you have the truss rod cover mounted upside down ! (The top should match the Guild headstock and not a Gibson or Taylor bell)


Ralf

That's really funny! I got it like that and didn't make any adjustments on the neck until today, I wanted it to get settled with a full new set of strings (it only had 4 on when I got it and they were lites). I was making the neck adjustments at my friends house, away from my other Guilds and the Guild book, and once I took the truss rod cover off I spent some time looking at it thinking "that's not right!". I flipped it around and then looked at it thinking "is that right?". The second guessing myself went on for some time. Hahaha!

I didn't want to admit to that.
 

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Lets see if I can make them appear. Before:

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After:

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One thing that you might consider doing is getting some plugs with spring tabs and painting them the same color as the top in order to cover the stud holes left when you took out the tailpiece.

I had a black Sheraton to which I added a Bigsby. I was able to find some black plastic ones and put them on to cover them. Worked pretty well:

PICT1332.jpg


You can see the plugs there. You should be able to find some domed metal ones that would press in and could be painted to match pretty danged close.

By the way, GREAT guitar!

Thanks for your help! Though I would be considered part of the younger generation (24 y.o), I'm not too computer savvy; never felt a need to be. That's why I like it here, everyone is so helpful. Thank you!

Also those plugs are a great idea! Right now I have a wire from the screw on the Bigsby to the metal sleeve just to hush the hum but that is planned as a temporary fix until I figure out what I want to do neck pickup wise as well as figure out what I'm going to do to get that HAMMER to it's full potential.
 

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That guitar was clearly meant for you and what a great job you did cleaning it up. Since the original pickup rings appear to have been used that suggests the cavities may not have been routed out for the other buckers which is good.
 

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That guitar was clearly meant for you and what a great job you did cleaning it up. Since the original pickup rings appear to have been used that suggests the cavities may not have been routed out for the other buckers which is good.

Yeah, when I opened it up there were no modifications done to the body of the guitar. Someone just dropped new pickups in.
 

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Does anyone have information on the HAMMER VELVET 54 pickup and possibly wiring it up to use it to it's full potential? I heard it can be a complicated job.
 

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@guildguy516: If you look for a correct Guild master volume knob, here is a picture showing one.
It's the one in the lower row on the very right side. It has 1-9 markings but only the uneven numbers are printed on it:

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They appear from time to time on ebay. The picture is from Ken Nash who also sells them.

Does anyone have information on the HAMMER VELVET 54 pickup and possibly wiring it up to use it to it's full potential? I heard it can be a complicated job.
The Velvet Hammer pickups were made by the late Red Rhodes in Southern California.

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Here is another great flyer about the various models of Red Rhodes pickups:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix0903/4987_RedRhodesFlyer_2.jpg

Ralf
 
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That's really funny! I got it like that and didn't make any adjustments on the neck until today, I wanted it to get settled with a full new set of strings (it only had 4 on when I got it and they were lites). I was making the neck adjustments at my friends house, away from my other Guilds and the Guild book, and once I took the truss rod cover off I spent some time looking at it thinking "that's not right!". I flipped it around and then looked at it thinking "is that right?". The second guessing myself went on for some time. Hahaha!

I didn't want to admit to that.
Sounds like another job for LTG's crack squad of TRC police. :wink-new:

Nice score,
Joe
 

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That's a sweet V you have! Ever consider getting some Guild mini buckers or HB-1's / DeArmond's to put in as they were the original pups in the SF V in the 60's and 70's respectively? I'm sure you can find some amongst this Guild crowd or on Ebay, but it sounds like the current pups sound pretty good.
 
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